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do you know when are Entanet applying the throttling?

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Throttling by Entanet can be applied any time of the day or night.

Take a look in the Entanet forum of this site and you will see quite a few topics concerning Entanet's throttling.

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ok so vivaciti cap the speeds then if ur a heavy user?

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vivaciti are actually just a reseller - the 'real' ISP you would be connected to is Entanet.

The throttling Entanet applies is to all users whether you are a heavy user or just browse a few webpages. So effectively they punish the innocent as well as the guilty.

Having said that - Entanet's allowances are very generous as you can use 330gb a month. I personally would avoid using vivacity though and use one of the more open and honest Entanet resellers in relation to who they actually are - such a ukfsn.

Edited by deleted (Tue 13-Feb-07 17:30:58)

done that . . . looks not too bad to be honest!

yes, few complaints about throttling Sat evening etc. . . . sounds wonderful . . . when you have an ISP throttling EVERY MINUTE GUARANTEED from 1am - 6am which they are selling as "off peak" & every other minute is covered by a cap - then these guys seem fair & reasonable and worth a try

Mav

Entanet referrers are perfect for high usage as the throttling, almost uniquely in the industry, hits light users as hard as heavy users. So heavy users get a better crack at the whip than most other providers.

As there are a number of entanet referrers offering identical products, I would insist on best practice.

That means, amongst other things, making sure that the referrer is a member of an Ofcom approved Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme and provides a clear name, company number and address on their website.

a reasonable view, HOWEVER in my bitter experience being a member of an Ofcom approved Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme is useless as it takes months before they will intervene & then they have no teeth really - it's all voluntary rubbish . . .

As I have said on here many times before self regulation in the UK is a complete waste of time - look at how the Law Society protects bad / dishonest solicitors rather than the public!

. . . . and as for that bunch of Ofcom muppets, well they have the speed and teeth of a garden snail


not that I'm dissolutioned like, but months of battling UKO I learned the hard way! 8-(

FWIW
Mav aka Mr Grumpy

Indeed, being a member of an approved ADR is not a guarantee of good service and plenty of sharks swim in the isp waters.

However, if there is a choice of providers offering identical products, it would be wise to look into who is following best practice.

For example, if a particular provider had links to bankrupt companies with six figure outstanding CCJs, was very unclear what their address was or their trading status and was not a member of an approved ADR, it may be wise to look into who else was offering the same product for the same price in the marketplace IMHO.

Edited by deleted (Tue 13-Feb-07 22:04:19)

fair point, well made

actually I have just realised that Pipex, the nice people who are now suddenly ****ing my F2S connection with a mediocre cap & major shaping traffic in my 'unmetered' time offer for another

Entanet referrers are perfect for high usage as the throttling, almost uniquely in the industry, hits light users as hard as heavy users. So heavy users get a better crack at the whip than most other providers.

Another category of user that benefit from Entanet's, at present, unique throttling method, are those who have an unusually high dependence on time-critical low latency, but low bandwidth, applications (VOIP and gaming, to name but two).

Entanet's variable speed limits are in place to keep the total loading on each of their centrals in check, such that no central should suffer packet loss or increased latency (except under extreme high demands - due to the 2Mbps minimum speed limit). As such, latency (pings) remain consistent 24/7 and packet loss is almost unheard of (both extremely useful for on-line gamers, or those using VOIP and other time-critical applications).

Of course, there are other ISPs that don't throttle at all, and have enough central capacity to ensure pings stay below 20-30ms and don't suffer packet loss, but none for the

I disagree as low users can get time critical applications unthrottled at full speed and low latency from any number of providers at reasonable cost.

Entanet referrers are almost unique in throttling light users down to 2meg speeds at evenings and weekends regardless of their usage.

IMHO that means great value for uber users, albeit at lower speeds, and poor value for average and light users.

Edited by deleted (Tue 13-Feb-07 23:21:50)

Speeds at present (even with a 2Mbps limit in place - been that way for about 75 minutes, and likely to continue for about another hour) are around 4-5x faster than I used to get with Eclipse, and many times faster than with Plusnet and Metronet.

Can't comment about BT, it's been a long time since I had a BT retail DSL product (jumped ship when this BT-Yahoo nonsense started), and not wanting to risk a 12 or 18 month minimum contract, there's no way I'm going back.
With BT's new "unlimited" (yeah, right) ADSLmax offering, I might have been tempted to give them a go for a few months (just to see if the accompanying FUP had any effect on medium users - typically, I use around 6-10GB peak and around 40-60GB off-peak), but no way am I taking a risk with their current insistence on a 12/18 month contract.

So, even though I'm not an uber-user, I'm staying put, because I simply haven't found a faster product at anything like the money Entanet charge (closest I came was ACE/Mistral at around