Which FTTC isp?

I've been with BE for the past 3 years and have been happy with the service I've received. It's not quick but it's miles better than any BT20cn connection that I could get.
I'm averaging a 2300KIbs/650Kbs sync

My exchange (THBW) is due to be upgraded to FTTC next month and our Cab looks like it is being done at the moment. BE have been very quiet on what their plans are so I'm looking to move.

The majority of my usage is evenings (xbox live/surfing and downloading) with a small amount of surfing during the day. I rely on my upload speed and having the 7Mbs that the infinity checker promises would be really nice.

I'm looking for suggestions on who to look at, I'm considering AAISP but would welcome other suggestions

I'm looking for recommendatiojns

Depends on your current and possible download volumes.

I'm considering IDNet Lite and Plus, or even the dreaded Infinity. MAC in hand!

With your usage pattern AAISP may work. It's the peak time costs there that are the drawback for most, but off-peak allowance is good and the night-time is effectively unlimited.

I'm in the same boat, my cab is ready now, and will go live in march, idnet look best so far with the unlimited upload that sways me.

What about BT Infinity?

I'm in a very similar situation and other than the "It's BT" factor (and I'm not sure how much of that is rational and how much is brand snobbery) they do appear to have the best offer for a reasonably open service.

IDNet and AAISP look the next best options. I used to be with AAISP and as much as I rate them as an ISP, I just can't think of a more frustrating ISP to find yourself at home in the daytime unexpectedly with a 30mbps internet connection that you daren't use.

We now have a product 100GB download mon - Fri 8am - 11pm unlimited off-peak with uploads not counted £42.00 per month

In reply to a post by paulglavin:

The majority of my usage is evenings (xbox live/surfing and downloading) with a small amount of surfing during the day.

How about Vivaciti. Their peak is 8am to 8pm for FTTC, £30.90 for 45Gb peak. Price link.
Don't know whether it is important for you but there may be some P2P and newsgroup shaping according to their forum.

Certainly if upload is your thing Idnet is great with it being unlimited.

In reply to a post by vivaciti:

We now have a product 100GB download mon - Fri 8am - 11pm unlimited off-peak with uploads not counted £42.00 per month

Ooops. Missed your post before posting my comment.
Does the new package have any shaping at all?

Is that with 10Mb Max upload?

In reply to a post by hutchingsp:

What about BT Infinity?

I'm in a very similar situation and other than the "It's BT" factor (and I'm not sure how much of that is rational and how much is brand snobbery) they do appear to have the best offer for a reasonably open service.

IDNet and AAISP look the next best options. I used to be with AAISP and as much as I rate them as an ISP, I just can't think of a more frustrating ISP to find yourself at home in the daytime unexpectedly with a 30mbps internet connection that you daren't use.

I've considered Infinity, I suppose I'm just so used to dealing with BTs incometence that the thought of using them again fills me with dread!!

I don't need a static IP, I don't do P2P but do use http newsgroups.

Of all the FTTC resellers, only AAISP are routing IPv6 natively and they are now providing v6-ready domestic routers.. This would seem to be a good opportunity to get onstream.

If you go with IDNet or Infinity you'll have to upgrade your hardware again in the next year or so.

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Borgon Unit

Yes

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Of all the FTTC resellers, only AAISP are routing IPv6 natively and they are now providing v6-ready domestic routers.. This would seem to be a good opportunity to get onstream.

If you go with IDNet or Infinity you'll have to upgrade your hardware again in the next year or so.

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Borgon Unit

If I'm not mistaken, the AEBS supports ipv6 natively and it's what I'll use to do my routing.

As an O2 customer for a number of years, and being used to having no limits I struggled with ISP choice for a while. I kept hoping Sky or Be/O2 would come online. I knew talktalk were but couldn't face going to them.

As a moderately high user (up to 200Gb/month) I was concerned at the BT 300Gb fup -- I'd still prefer not to hit it, though after some checks at home monthly is now more like 120Gb even with some video streaming allowing plenty of "headroom" (we have tv, bluray able to show HD iplayer etc)

But in the end the data volumes -- which could be daytime or evening -- meant BT was the only affordable option for this volume.

The HomeHub2 was pathetic but after some dialogue with @btcare on twitter, the forum mods & some emails this was sorted. ALl the communication was fairly prompt, intelligent, helpful & the fix after a few days was to have delivery of a new HH3 arranged.

Very happy with the service so far. I get a profile of around 34M - slightly down from 38M on day one (maybe I should force a resync), and throughput seems to vary 27-34 - not seen anything lower than this, though obviously depends on exchange etc.

Latency is higher than expected - I get 22ms to bbc from southampton. It could be a fair bit lower, but looks like the 21cn network from my exchange gets routed through birmingham.. this is highly location & isp dependent I guess.
The 18m contract wasn't ideal, but having switched I'm happy to have done so.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Of all the FTTC resellers, only AAISP are routing IPv6 natively and they are now providing v6-ready domestic routers.. This would seem to be a good opportunity to get onstream.

If you go with IDNet or Infinity you'll have to upgrade your hardware again in the next year or so.

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Borgon Unit

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/newsite/t/3959609-i...

The "them" referred to is IDNet, as you can see from the post John is replying to.

Edited by billford (Tue 08-Feb-11 17:29:05)

In reply to a post by paulglavin:

If I'm not mistaken, the AEBS supports ipv6 natively and it's what I'll use to do my routing.

It does, but it doesn't work natively atm even when set up manually, not sure why.

It won't work natively on auto-setup because (so IDNet inform me) the BT RADIUS system doesn't support IPv6 yet so it can't log in.

Works fine using its own 6to4 tunnel.

Edited by billford (Tue 08-Feb-11 17:39:12)

> It won't work natively on auto-setup because (so IDNet inform me) the
> BT RADIUS system doesn't support IPv6 yet so it can't log in.

That seems odd: I know a couple of folk on FTTC with A&A running v6 natively with no special kit. Isn't RADIUS at the PPP level rather than IP?

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Belfast Bob

I'm just going on what I've been told, I don't know the gory details

But it might be useful to know that it's working on A&A, thanks.

Hmm... from the A&A site:

Also, we are aware that BT have some issues handling native IPv6 on some parts of their network which we are trying to resolve (Sep 2008)

That isn't incompatible with what I was told... and it's possible that's why the AEBS won't work in native IPv6 whether manual or auto.

Some useful stuff on that site


edit- just had an email from IDNet, with luck they may have got it sussed... the BT RADIUS stuff may have been a symptom not a cause.

Edited by billford (Wed 09-Feb-11 16:04:49)

Hello again Bill,

The BT network issues with IPv6 routing were solved long ago. A&A customers have been routing native v6 over BTW and BE circuits for years, at least as long as I have been with them.

Perhaps IDNet could just pick up the phone and talk to Adrian Kennard...

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Belfast Bob

Thanks for the info, that's really useful to know.
I'd prefer not to use the Homehub if I went that route, the cost is appealing, the 18mth contract not so much

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

A&A customers have been routing native v6 over BTW and BE circuits for years, at least as long as I have been with them.

I think I'd like some evidence of that claim where domestic customers are concerned... I did some investigating.

IDNet have native IPv6 working with Cisco routers and a Draytek, A&A have it working with their Firebrick 2700... available at £350 for the base model, £650 for the full version. Both prices exclusive of VAT.

Apple have changed their advert for the Airport Extreme to limit it to IPv6 tunnels only. I suspect domestic routers that will support native IPv6 out of the box are a way off yet...

> I think I'd like some evidence of that claim where domestic customers are
> concerned... I did some investigating.

Hi billford - Northwind here. I'm not logged in at present but I can assure you that I have full IPv6 native connectivity through A&A. I use a Netgear WNDR3700 running OpenWRT; the router is available off Amazon for about 120 quid. I assume that the other Anonymous poster up-thread has something similar. WRT54GLs are also popular, with OpenWRT or DD-WRT software.

I've been with A&A for about 18 months and have been on IPv6 all that time.

Would you like to tracepath6 to a host on my network? Would that convince you?

> I suspect domestic routers that will support native IPv6 out of the box are a way
> off yet...

Since when did that have any bearing on whether an ISP supports native IPv6? If you don't have a DVD player then you can't watch DVDs... but that doesn't mean that DVDs don't exist!

Anyway:
http://status.aaisp.net.uk/apost.cgi?incident=845


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Northwind

Post deleted by billford

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Hi billford - Northwind here.

You have a PM.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

I use a Netgear WNDR3700 running OpenWRT; the router is available off Amazon for about 120 quid. I assume that the other Anonymous poster up-thread has something similar. WRT54GLs are also popular, with OpenWRT or DD-WRT software.
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Northwind

Netgear have just issued an update to their firmware for WNDR3700v1 (1.07.98), and also for their newer v2 model, which claims to implement IPv6 in various formats (Tunnel, DHCPv6, PPPoE, passthrough). I haven' t got round to testing it yet mostly because my ISP (Be) doesn't do native IPv6.

Aquiss the company i might go for they got 45 gigs peak time and off peak times are 8pm untill 7.59am plus its off peak alll weekend so it looks a bit better than vivaciti

In reply to a post by Johnct:

Aquiss the company i might go for they got 45 gigs peak time and off peak times are 8pm untill 7.59am plus its off peak alll weekend so it looks a bit better than vivaciti

Looks very similar to the vivaciti Office 45 one to me.

I can only see other FTTC products (premium?) on their web site via the link you given, not similar to ours. Unless i missed something?

We also do free install on all our FTTC products, home or business, versions, saving as least £50.

You are quite correct Martin.

However I don't see the package the poster refers to on your FTTC page.

Looks like he is confused, and I followed his lead.

no not confused http://www.aquiss.net/business-fibre-broadband.php
plus you can still get it even you dont have a business

Yep John .

I found the Business ones a minute ago when someone else referred to them. I had only seen the Residential ones.

So I came back here to correct my posts. Too late !

Hi RobertoS,

Your looking at the home versions, the the office/business versions are http://www.aquiss.net/business-fibre-broadband.php

In reply to a post by aquiss:

Hi RobertoS,

Your looking at the home versions, the the office/business versions are http://www.aquiss.net/business-fibre-broadband.php

See my reply to Johnct.

Apologies to you .

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 25-Feb-11 11:18:36)

Enta supply FTTC through a number of our resellers, and we also fully support IPv6 through BT's and our own network.

Regards,

In reply to a post by b_bliss:

Enta supply FTTC through a number of our resellers, and we also fully support IPv6 through BT's and our own network.

Regards,

Just look at the header of your post. better still, swap to Theaded mode for a minute and see where that post of yours lies.

I suggest you start clicking the Reply or Quote button against the post you are replying to, not just the latest in the thread.

I have shown no interest in IPV6, and am fully aware of the reseller setup. Apparently more than yourself from other posts of yours. How long have you worked there?

I sort of lost interest in the thread when BT's checker told me that I was being activated in September, then not planned, it's now showing 16th of March which is nice
So now I can look more actively at those mentioned.
Aquiss, does your service have unmetered uploads?

In reply to a post by paulglavin:

Aquiss, does your service have unmetered uploads?

Nope, please see the first Q&A located under the packages overview:
http://www.aquiss.net/business-fibre-broadband.php

Poo!
I thought I'd actually made a decision until I read that

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Of all the FTTC resellers, only AAISP are routing IPv6 natively and they are now providing v6-ready domestic routers.. This would seem to be a good opportunity to get onstream.

If you go with IDNet or Infinity you'll have to upgrade your hardware again in the next year or so.

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Borgon Unit

Unfortunately AAISP have withdrawn the Comtrend router due to a lack of firmware updates. So, back to square one in that respect.