Orange vs. BT

Hi all, I get between 3.5 mbps and 4.5 mbps with my BT broadband & phone deal at the moment.(Reasonably fast for my rural location). Am I correct in thinking I should get roughly the same speeds if I change to Oranges home broadband deal? Surely the tech involved in getting the data from exchange to my router will not change so the speed should stay the same. The reason I ask is that Oranges website speed test says I'll get approx 2mbps. Logic tells me the speed should not change but I'm concerned that Oranges estimations are correct. Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks.

Estimates are only estimates. Post your Router Stats and your Exchange Data and we'll see what you should actually get.

Orange has now handed over its BB to BT so you should get exactly the same connection speed but at different price and T&Cs.

Hi, thanks - using the BT Home Hub v. 2 and the exchange is Dunoon. We were supposed to move to ADSL2+ in Spring 2011 but nothing happened and I can't find a forecast for when it will happen now. Steady 3.5Mb to 4.5Mb at the moment. Was 2 Mb for a while but then added the BT iPlate in 2008 and that moved us up to the current speeds. Surely no change with Orange? Just different router. (the price is good as I will be getting the Staff Plan).

So, where's your Router Stats?

In theory orange should be faster but they have a FUP of 40GB far as i know.

Probably no reason why Orange should be faster as the LLU could very well have been decommissioned. Several people on exchanges without BT ADSL2+, but on Orange LLU, have been taken off it and moved onto the new service.

Which theory is that? Relativity?

Even if Orange LLU is still commissioned at OP's exchange, which I doubt after this length of time, they won't put new customers on it only to pull them off later.

Since LLU ADSL2 is faster than ADSL1

but since this exchange only has 1 LLU provider IE orange it should be faster but now since rob is saying there LLU is/maybe decommissioned it will just be as fast as his current BT service understand?

In reply to a post by DougMacp:

Hi, thanks - using the BT Home Hub v. 2 and the exchange is Dunoon. We were supposed to move to ADSL2+ in Spring 2011 but nothing happened and I can't find a forecast for when it will happen now. Steady 3.5Mb to 4.5Mb at the moment. Was 2 Mb for a while but then added the BT iPlate in 2008 and that moved us up to the current speeds. Surely no change with Orange? Just different router. (the price is good as I will be getting the Staff Plan).

Hi, the Kitz info will help you to get your BT Home Hub router line stats

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php

Copy and paste them to this thread and from your router line stats we can tell you what speeds you should get with Orange.

Your Dunoon exchange does not have 21CN WBC ADSL2+ 24 Meg installed and is not on the list to have it yet, so you might be put on Orange LLU, if not it will be IPStream 8 Meg Max.

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSDUN

https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/downloads/Communit...

https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Community/B...

These are my router line stats with Orange WBC this morning 10:30am�

2Wire 2700HGV router
DSL Connection Details
Downstream Rate: 11529 kbps
Upstream Rate: 1177 kbps
Channel: Interleaved
Current Noise Margin: 9.1 dB (Downstream), 6.4 dB (Upstream)
Current Attenuation: 31.3 dB (Downstream), 15.8 dB (Upstream)
Current Output Power: 20.7 dBm (Downstream), 12.2 dBm (Upstream)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1380405772.png

http://www.pingtest.net/result/43400188.png

Edited by deleted (Mon 11-Jul-11 10:57:28)

In reply to a post by epyon:

it will just be as fast as his current BT service understand?

No! It's you that finally understands http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/which_isp/t/4019360...

ok nice to see you get what i'm saying ciao

Thanks E7er - the router stats are below...

ADSL settings
VPI/VCI 0/38
Type PPPoA
Modulation ITU-T G.992.1
Latency type Interleaved
Noise margin (Down/Up) 6.1 dB / 17.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up) 47.0 dB / 26.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up) 19.8 dBm / 12.3 dBm

Where's the connection speeds?

sorry for the delay - on vacation. speed test as attached.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1405754417.png

In reply to a post by DougMacp:

sorry for the delay - on vacation. speed test as attached.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1405754417.png

Hi DougMacp, you should find you will get about the same speeds, as your broadband connection will be Orange/BT 8Meg Max.

I was with BT for phone and 8Meg Max broadband with another ISP, I switched over to Orange LLU 20Meg for the lower priced broadband phone and line rental. The phone has not changed you get the same BT answering service and caller display.

Post your router stats and XRaySpeX will put them into his program to give you your estimated speed.

My 2Wire 2700HGV router stats, this morning 11:20am

Downstream Rate: 11389 kbps
Upstream Rate: 1128 kbps
Channel: Fast
Current Noise Margin: 8.9 dB (Downstream), 6.6 dB (Upstream)
Current Attenuation: 31.4 dB (Downstream), 15.9 dB (Upstream)
Current Output Power: 20.7 dBm (Downstream), 11.6 dBm (Upstream)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1405992628.png

Ping 16 ms http://www.pingtest.net/result/44320440.png

Edited by deleted (Thu 28-Jul-11 12:48:20)

Thanks e7er,it looks like it's worthwhile changing. Results and router stats below....

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1405754417.png

ADSL settings
VPI/VCI 0/38
Type PPPoA
Modulation ITU-T G.992.1
Latency type Interleaved
Noise margin (Down/Up) 6.1 dB / 17.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up) 47.0 dB / 26.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up) 19.8 dBm / 12.3 dBm

Those aren't your connection speeds, but your throughput speeds.

The connection speeds are within your router stats, similar to what E7er posted, but you keep omitting them.

In reply to a post by DougMacp:

Thanks e7er,it looks like it's worthwhile changing. Results and router stats below....

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1405754417.png

ADSL settings
VPI/VCI 0/38
Type PPPoA
Modulation ITU-T G.992.1
Latency type Interleaved
Noise margin (Down/Up) 6.1 dB / 17.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up) 47.0 dB / 26.0 dB
Output power (Down/Up) 19.8 dBm / 12.3 dBm

Hi DougMacp, as XRaySpeX states, you are omitting the important Downstream Rate and Upstream Rate from your posts.

Downstream Rate: 11389 kbps
Upstream Rate: 1128 kbps

aha....

Downstream 5,024 Kbps
Upstream 448 Kbps

You are just about 0.5 to 1 Meg below what your line is capable of.

There is no reason why you should get any less on Orange and you might get more.

i have been with orange for a few years now and apart from the occasional hiccup you get as with any ISP i have had no probs, am getting good d/l speed with unlimited usage for £20 pm, as i have been informed that Orange are now using their own servers and not depending on others.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results/id/1...

not to bad for the UK speeds, and 24/7, unlimited.

my advice is to get independant speed test from other ISP's before you change, go to their home pages and do a speed test on your line, see what others can offer 1st.
hope this helps Doug.

What held for years is no longer relevant.

In reply to a post by dannyboy60:

i have been informed that Orange are now using their own servers and not depending on others.

Quite the reverse! Orange have got rid of their LLU network and handed over to BT entirely. Now you are either on BT IPStream in 20CN exchanges or BT WBC in 21CN ones. As you would have seen by reading this thread.

Thanks XRaySpeX and everyone else for their advice and help.I think the staff plan offers Unltd Broadband and Anytime calls and line rental for £11.50, so I've got to go for it. Every penny helps!

Thanks again.

BT. They have a compelling product that people are buying. France Telecom have more or less run up the white flag for Orange in the UK broadband market.

Orange are still selling BB. It is essentially BT at a cheaper price.

Since they handed off to BT I have found Orange WBC fast and reliable and good value-for-money.

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

BT. They have a compelling product that people are buying.

Not in the OP's exchange they haven't.

i live very close to the exchange and am with orange. at very best my speed is 5mb. in your rural area 2 / 2.5 sounds about right.

based on the recent ofcom customer satisfaction results (Ofcom ISP Customer Satisfaction Survey) i would stick to orange over b.t

Post deleted by billford

scanmyspeed is useless! It gives me ridiculous Down speeds of 0.4, 0.7, 0.8 and even zero Mbps, whereas everyone else measures it consistently at over 15 Meg.

Where's their server? Timbuctoo?

Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 03-Aug-11 13:43:52)

Heh!

My download 0.419Mbps, upload 0.401Mbps. tbb 30.7/8.1Mbps.

Do you waana buy a Speed Up Your Connection gizmo that fell off the back of a lorry?

Post deleted by billford

I think we've got ourselves a spammer

Post deleted by billford