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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 04-Apr-11 21:31:45
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In reply to a post by SarahS:
OK, I'm a little confused here. According to all the emails I keep receiving from TalkTalk Business, the most my line is capable of, even on LLU is 7Mbs. At least, that's what their web page speed checker says. While I'd expect better speeds from lower congestion on LLU, I'm surprised to hear about the possibility of getting 16Mbs. Could someone explain?


The Talktalk speed estimator is very conservative...just before signing up, it told me i could expect a speed of 9 meg which i knew was total balls...i'm currently getting more than 17 meg. Your downstream line attenuation is 25db, if you move to LLU ADSL2+ even though that will increase to 28-30db you should still get at least 16 meg as you live quite close to the exchange; as a rule of thumb 1km of line length = approx 16db downstream attenuation, 2km =32db and so on

As you're synced at 8128/832kbps it appears talktalk business have not moved you over to their LLU ADSL2+ network....if you were on LLU your upload would have been 1019kbps. try this speedtest, what do you get? (don't fill in any info, just click start mesaurement)
http://loki09.mpi-sws.mpg.de/bb/bb.php

As i suggested earlier, have you tried calling talktalk business (rather than their residential division) to get them to shift you over to their LLU network? If no luck, then pm me your details and i will ask one of the talktalk OCEs to have a look at your account and move you over to their "up to 24 meg" ADSL2+ service.
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(knowledge is power) Mon 04-Apr-11 22:28:07
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The Talktalk speed estimator is very conservative...
As they all are! Never rely on an ISP's or BT estimate, but go by your own router stats and research them at a site like http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/max_speed_calc.php
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try this speedtest, what do you get? (don't fill in any info, just click start measurement) http://loki09.mpi-sws.mpg.de/bb/bb.php
That speed test is useless; it besmirches Max Planck's name. It repeatedly tells me that I'm faster than 10 Meg and keeps inviting me to do the 20 Meg test when every one else knows I'm about 15/16 Meg. And it takes so long to not reach a conclusion frown

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU BB => 2010: Orange 19 Meg Tweaked / 16 Meg Untweaked LLU BB
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(deleted) Tue 05-Apr-11 07:29:04
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Your downstream line attenuation is 25db, if you move to LLU ADSL2+ even though that will increase to 28-30db


Oh for crying out loud. You're like a broken record. Attenuation MAY, not WILL, increase. My attenuation decreased, and I'm sure others did or even stayed the same.

try this speedtest

Ha, I tried that one when someone else posted it a while back and tbh it was the biggest waste of time. No useful results at all.


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(deleted) Tue 05-Apr-11 08:56:36
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Your downstream line attenuation is 25db, if you move to LLU ADSL2+ even though that will increase to 28-30db


Oh for crying out loud. You're like a broken record. Attenuation MAY, not WILL, increase. My attenuation decreased, and I'm sure others did or even stayed the same.


Sorry i should have said "may" instead of "will". But in most cases going from ADSL1 to ADSL2+ does increase the downstream line attenuation; due to higher frequencies on ADSL2+.

As for the speedtest as its proven here TalkTalk users are NOT receiving the correct results on TBB tester by a few meg at least...which means there's a good chance her real speed is 5+ meg which is more realistic on a 8 meg sync.

OP, also try the official talktalk speedtest preferably during non-peak times to rule out exchange congestion:
http://www.talktalkmembers.com/content/view/53/124/
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(deleted) Tue 05-Apr-11 09:00:18
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try this speedtest

Ha, I tried that one when someone else posted it a while back and tbh it was the biggest waste of time. No useful results at all.


Really? You didn't seem to think so at the time.
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/talktalk/t/3984258-...

Just because this speedtest works in an orthodox way doesn't mean to say its useless.

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(staff) Tue 05-Apr-11 09:30:27
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Not all talktalk users get poor results from our tester, also we see plenty of people getting results a lot higher than 17 to 20Meg

The raw speedtest.net works it is more likely to give a result that makes people happy.

Both testers give accurate results, but neither is really telling you your connection speed, just the average (in our case) a peak speed in speedtest.net's case.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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(deleted) Tue 05-Apr-11 10:04:57
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Really? You didn't seem to think so at the time.


No, it confirmed what I already knew. It did not give me anything extra or new. I got the same result using speedtest.net and TalkTalks own speed tester.
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