In reply to a post by mje_uk:

Hello Batboy,
<Did you try another router? >
I've already replied yes to this one, see below ....
<How did you rule out your router and internal phone wiring? >
Cos earlier on in this discussion you will see that I have eliminated both of these.
Regards

Ah yes, spotted that too

I would still like to see line stats from the router connected to the test socket and nothing else.

But say you have got a line fault, you'll need Openreach to sort it out.

Hello Batboy,
<But say you have got a line fault, you'll need Openreach to sort it out>
Precisely !!!!! But one cannot kick BTOpenReach directly about a broadband problem .... one has to proceed through ones ISP and who are in general more inclined to fob you off with a profile change or some such excuse rather than involve BTOR at a cost. .

Sign up to Be as you have been preached to and see what happens LOL

.......... http://aaisp.net.uk/broadband-trial.html

As previously suggested AAISP could be worth a try if you are convinced the problem is with the line itself and not any other issues.

I'd let the evidence and facts speak for themselves and not someone who has a bee in their bonnet with regards to BE

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Not fixed at all, still various complaints in BEs private forums.

Though to be honest i don't care, getting my FTTC tomorrow and will be rid of the BE shambles. The regular snake oil like peddlers of the product are welcome to it

Id advise the OP to think very carefully especially as they currently have issues.

If they are reading still i suggest they ask there self do you want to add to the issues you already have?

If so go right ahead and listen to the BE supporters (see their posting history they wont have a word spoken against them) and sign right up.

Me im gone like the the other 16,000 in the first quarter of this year that have jumped the sinking BE ship LOL

Ah, so it is probably nonBEliever. The style was somewhat reminiscent, but the case even weaker due to anonymity.

We seem to have drifted away from the original subject of whether, with a long line from the exchange and subject to other problems causing it to flap around, one is better off with an LLU ADSL2+ type connection, or one from BT Wholesale.
My distillation from the advice so far is that the former is probably preferable, not because it offers higher speed but because it should resync less frequently. (Pls correct me if I have got the wrong mesage here)

In addition to this is the separate question of why the line flaps around and here we have stumbled into the very important structural problem of why ISPs are not keen to chase BT

Regards

Who else would post with such a fundamental and one sided hatred of BE

I know of 2 cases this week with similar HR dis faults on BE

One is still undergoing troubleshooting by BE and the other BE arranged an Openreach engineer visit and the problem has been fixed

With no DLM on BE, it's much easier to control the line if there are problems

It isn't that LLU should resync less frequently. It is that the resync has no longer term effects, in that as soon as you do a resync yourself, when the cause is absent, the throughput immediately rises to the level for the new connection speed.

It is however the case that the BT DLM, which has always been the biggest technical problem with their service, has been revised on many 21CN (WBC) exchanges, and is now far more responsive wrt IP Profile.

So on those exchanges the difference is less than it used to be. The treatment of the noise margin on non-LLU still seems just as aggressive.

Customer support on non-LLU ISPs is highly dependent on which you choose, and the same applies on LLU.

Edit - typo.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 21-Aug-11 18:36:58)