In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

Sounds worrying, Kammy.

I have had experience of an official ISP support forum banning me and then subsequently editing my posts to suit their fan's marketing campaign myself in the past.

Still, many people may not worry about being banned from the official forum, or indeed worry about the continued official status page of the provider advising of high latency in the evening for over a month.

Given the official support forum may possibly be suspect, latency may possibly be bad in the evening according to the official status page, could you advise the OP whether Be have UK telephone support for gamers banned from the official forum and suffering high latency?

Nope no UK support either, all overseas and phone support seems to be a VOIP system that cuts many people off.

In reply to a post by nredwood:

Brett Coles banned him for criticising BE

Brett was over the top when i came to bans
It doesn't matter any way as Brett is long gone and it's nowhere near the same these days

Only recent ban I know of on the BE forums is someone who is posting as Anon in this thread and it doing so to flout a ban he also has here.

Both bans for abusive and insulting behaviour

Wild accusations which are untrue.

A bit like the porkies about BE support being UK based is untrue.

Saying the phone call quality is bad to their overseas support and the live web chat system has bugs, and the service is suffering congestion and poor latency though which is all true would not fit your agenda as a usergroup member trolling the net for sign ups with your regular cohorts here.

Fortunately the intelligent can quickly look at the posts the likes of you batboy, robertos and other pushy BE sales spokes people (or thats what you act like) make here and see for thereself your untruth bias opinions on the company which is BE.

Fortunately also it seems most are intelligent enough not to listen to BE supporters, as is reflected in the 3rd decline of customer numbers for BE/O2 this year.

Appears people are not signing up and are leaving in mass, so i suggest you work hard to get new subs. Perhaps you need to create some new half baked pork pies to convince people.

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

I can spot a pattern here.

Oh, I think everybody can spot a pattern here

Yes and although the trolling from a mod is particularly disappointing, it is not unexpected.

Neither is the bias where this moderator appears to have allowed abuse and violation of forum rules against you but seem fixated on everything you are saying rather than the lies others are.
Wild unfounded accusations from BE fans to others in this thread with no substance also.
A pity when any forum allows lies from people on a forum, especially when they are recommending a company and stating something is UK based when it is not.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Fortunately the intelligent can quickly look at the posts the likes of you batboy, robertos and other pushy BE sales spokes people (or thats what you act like) make here and see for thereself your untruth bias opinions on the company which is BE.

Even more fortunately, a few intelligent people, including RandomJointer who has argued strongly here against BE for gamers, but for BE for P2P, and more importantly including anyone looking for advice, also understand that at some time you may have had an unfortunate experience with Be. How valid that experience is as a guide to the vast majority of connections is extremely dubious. Am I right in thinking that your internet connection is still with Be, and that for many months you have not been inside a minimum term? That will be of interest to intelligent people.

It is clear there is also a problem with the network, affecting some users but not most, which has gone from being short-term to medium-term. This is certainly a point to criticise. There are posts elsewhere suggesting some long-running problem or other may now have been fixed at long last, but I'm not sure it is the same one.

BatBoy did indeed score an own goal over the support staff location, and was corrected by at least one other fan-person.

In the above, you mention me.

I accept I was misled by a confusing historical thread about the Barking upgrade. However, since my post about that I have unearthed a few more highly relevant figures, but need to find one more piece of information that I know is incontrovertible and make a few more checks. Then to assemble them into a coherent argument. That I may not have time to do until tomorrow.

For now, suffice it to say that I anticipate that all except one person with any remaining interest in this thread will find the evidence convincing that Barking could handle twenty-eight exchanges' traffic passing through it at the end of February 2008 when the list was first published on here. Whether or not it has been upgraded further since then is conjecture, but I shall be trying to cover that aspect as well.

As for my being a "pushy Be sales spokesperson", please show me where I have recommended them in this thread. I have only tried to debunk your fantasy that Barking could not be the end of the chain for 28 exchanges, feeding their traffic back to a POP. That I shall do soon, as explained above.

(Edit - typo).

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 14-Nov-11 09:18:02)

20,000 on a 622 was not unknown, equiv to 25Kbps per user CBR assuming a 3Mbps average IP profile.

Memory suggests maximum was around the 30,000 mark.

Sorry, didn't read all your post so may have missed a point.

For gaming try Be. By far the best gaming ISP - unlimited and unthrottled.

Sorry, didn't read all your post so may have missed a point.

For gaming try Be. By far the best gaming ISP - unlimited and unthrottled.

Thanks ANdrew. That's useful input to the calculation I have said I will produce.

I think I'm right is saying that as recently as last year the likes of TalkTalk budgetted on 80Kbps per customer when planning capacity, with high-end ISPs perhaps being 200Kbps per customer?

I hope your argument makes more sense than the faulty maths of your cohort in this post...

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/which_isp/t/4063252...

Which just for starters is based on per (fantasy average) amount of users per exchange, and not actual lines. Which is the relevant figure needed.

Unless of course the new claim is going to be nobody on those 28 exchanges has bonded which would be two lines to one user, would it not?.

As to 1gig via Barking serving 28 exchanges and the fibre trial being on the Barking, even if im kind enough to allow the BE supporters to state only half on that exchange will take part in the trial (IE around 20 users) than that maths still fails. Not much bandwidth left to play with for those 28 exchanges when all the fibre'ers get their trial hooked up and hammer it at the same time. Then again congestion has never bothered BE in the past, so i spose its not an issue eh?

I also find it quite ironic that BE usergroup members, and long term fans (or rather trolls) of BE like to scream other about BT paying another poster (randomjointer) a "wage" so their opinion doesnt count........

The irony in that of course is one person in the BE supporter camp that participated in this thread over the exchange debate is ex-BE staff thereself, and was also asked to become a member of the BE usergroup. Be fans though lap up what they had to say.

Seems that some seem to think randomjointers opinion isn't impartial but staff or ex-staff of BE is??

Even more funny that BE person concerned has 2 accounts here, one which they have posted in this thread with and another which still has their ISP status.

Maybe the moderator in this thread rather than focusing on specific individuals should focus on things like that. Then again looking at their history also, they don't appear to know how to be impartial or do a decent job either.

None of it really matters though as the proof is in the pudding and the BE pudding is a little flat recently as large numbers have abandoned it.

As to am i a BE user or who you buddy Nredwood thinks i and anyone that has the same bad things to say about BE is........ The answer to both that is NO. I left BE almost 2 months ago.

On individual ISP budgets not had anything official for some time, usually work on a 25 to 100Kbps range for CBR.