In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Sky has been adding 10GigE to some LLU exchanges and with its own core network can shift this data around the UK much cheaper than the BT Wholesale WBC network does.

So for Tommy45 to say Sky FTTC is same as BT Retail is just a lot of misinformation

I may be wrong about any decrease of sync being beneficial to open wound (sky fttc ) as it would be beneficial to sky instead,
But as far as the DLM and profiling go, there is no isp able or willing to offer a FTTC service free from this why is that? because only open wound have complete control over that and they will not share this with CP's ? that if it is the case is the part of the sky FTTC which is no different to the bt wholesale FTTC products

As for the dlm being different to that ADSL used , how is it different, it raises the TSNR and can switch to interleave both are not to the advantage of the end user ,
But are to the ISP as they may save on support calls and bandwidth as a result over time, If i'm paying the bill i want the choice it's as simple as that really

2 weeks it's gonna take for an engineer to come round, 2 weeks!

Has Sky an American outlet for FTTC, as I assume they must have, with all this talk about fiber?. As far as I know Sky BB only works in the UK, where we have fibre, pavements and cars -not fiber, sidewalks and autos. Strange.......

In reply to a post by Kr1s69:

Why is virgin not fibre optic?

Virgin Media is Fibre Optic (FTTC) Fibre to the Cabinet. From the street cabinet it is coax. This is identical to BT's Openreach fibre product. We can argue about the quality of their respective networks. VM's have been in place for years!! The advantage of this configuration is that there are no issues with distance from the exchange. Effectively the exchange is on your street. Speeds of up to at least 400Mb are possible.

ISPs will provide you FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) If you are prepared to pay a lot for it. This is better mostly because you are not having to share channels with other users.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

Virgin Media is Fibre Optic (FTTC) Fibre to the Cabinet. From the street cabinet it is coax. This is identical to BT's Openreach fibre product.

Actually VM is FTTN(ode), which is a large cabinet with cooling you can hear, like BT, then coax to the smaller cabinets and from them to the premises. The small cabs do not get fibre feed.

ISPs will provide you FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) If you are prepared to pay a lot for it.

Errr - no .

Openreach are rolling out FTTC to most areas and FTTP to some. The customer has no choice between them, and I think the end user installation cost (from Openreach) is the same. Some time in 2013 Openreach are going to make FTTP on demand available where FTTC is already available, but not where it isn't. (Apart from the ongoing FTTP rollout which is not "Fibre On Demand"). That is expected to have a high installation cost.

This is better mostly because you are not having to share channels with other users.

Well, sort of. Hugely more important in making it better is the complete removal of the circuit from copper connections, hence the elimination of the attenuation that copper suffers from.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 22-Jul-12 17:53:20)

Strictly speaking, fibre is available everywhere now...and has been for about 25-30 years. But perhaps that's just me being a pedant.

But it ain't called FTTC nor FTTP . And is certainly not what the poster was referring to.

If Openreach is so bad, then sub loop unbundling as Digital Region (and others) have done is an option for Sky.

You do release that Sky run their own DLM on their LLU services too? So would probably do similar on their own VDSL2 MSAN.

Of course reduced operators costs just mean the evil empires make more profits, nothing at all to do with the ability for broadband to have gone in price massively in last 12 years.