In reply to a post by Xplosion:

TalkTalk ... their LLU can often be faster than Plusnet's BTW service.

Why/How? When Orange's BTw WBC service is well faster than their old LLU one? It won't be cuz of the BT IP Profiling cuz that is now continuous and very proactive.

The comment is factual as TalkTalk have there ADSL2+ equipment in more exchanges than BT have ADSL2+ available in .

So saying " their LLU can often be faster than Plusnet's BTW service." is factual and the use of " Often " implies it may not always be the case , just often is .

Also the fact that TalkTalk have more control over the line profile than any BTW product and lets not forget BT IP profiles , that can often make a line even slower than it actually needs to be , as in my line sync at 8128 but my profile is 7150 ?

The OP's brother is ona WBC-enabled exchange so XRaySpeX's description of the DLM is correct. You appear to be on non-WBC, which is unfortunate for you.

Given the WBC almost invisible DLM, which on a stable line will lower the sync-time margin to 3dB from its default 6dB, the TT default 9dB looks a bit underwhelming.

I had my doubts when XRaySpeX first started saying this sort of thing, but nearly all Orange stats I have seen since are very good compared to previous Orange LLU. He seems to have "the facts" on his side.

The question is anyway almost irrelevant to this instance.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 28-Aug-12 09:11:00)

Shortlist the 2 or 3 ISPs from the advice given on this thread.
Then use the COMPARE Broadband tool on thinkbroadband site.
Link on the left hand side of the home screen under service providers.

Note: The differences are much greater than the graphs indicate at first glance
because of the visual scale used.

It's about time thinkbroadband revised the "Compare Broadband" graphs.
They have all the data they need and update it monthly.
A pity it is visually deceptive.
They use 20% steps on the vertical axis.
10% steps will give a more accurate reading.

Make sure you scroll down the results page to see all 3 categories:
Speed. Reliabilty. Customer Service.

PlusNet Value still looks best to me.
If he does not want to have a contract just pay for the router.
If you take it free you are on a 12 month contract as with most ISPs.

(The above "Anonymous" post is also by me - Ash76.)
I have been with Plus Net for about 2 years.
Lately, the reliability has been erratic but I am forgiving because
of the great Customer Service. But I still downgrade my monthly rating.

Edited by deleted (Tue 28-Aug-12 10:51:00)

In reply to a post by woweebert:

So saying " their LLU can often be faster than Plusnet's BTW service." is factual and the use of " Often " implies it may not always be the case , just often is.

"Occasionally" would be a more accurate description!

Also the fact that TalkTalk have more control over the line profile

So TT's 7 dB Target NM is better control than the 3 dB that BTw's WBC often achieves on a good line?

I'm afraid your judgement is clouded by your unfortunate situation of only being on a 20CN exchange.

In reply to a post by woweebert:

Also the fact that TalkTalk have more control over the line profile than any BTW product

Currently surfing with SNR locked at 3dB with Plusnet.

In reply to a post by woweebert:

and lets not forget BT IP profiles , that can often make a line even slower than it actually needs to be , as in my line sync at 8128 but my profile is 7150 ?

Sorry if I misunderstand. Are you saying that you can get better than a 7150 profile on an 8128 sync if on LLU?

In reply to a post by camieabz:

Are you saying that you can get better than a 7150 profile on an 8128 sync if on LLU?

There are no such Profiles on LLU.

Ah. Never had LLU. In that case, it's basically the same as ADSL2+ in that the overheads will almost match the profile losses.

Yes it is, so its all down to how the DLM manages the line.

So for example two lines that take same route to exchange here, have same attenuation nominally - but can get 1.5 Meg from BT Wholesale ADSL2+ than the Sky system.