In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The last place I ever expected to be was Plusnet!

I believe PN's ticketing system has now improved?

Do plusnet offer unlimited at all? Even on the phone? If they did I'd consider it.

I agree with you regarding Sky. The politics of the Murdoch's don't agree with me. Years ago I wouldn't touch Sky... We then got into an area without really any decent TV signal. I got peer pressured into Sky TV at this point. From there they offered me some blooming good deals and somehow eventually got my whole line rental and calls with their sweet (loss making) devilish offers.

Heyho can't beat em, join em. It works too well for me to leave.

I'd certainly consider BT infinity when my contracts up though & that BT vision stuff.

See my router data in my sig. Usually it sync at 15,500 stable with 12.8 Meg speeds, but I've seen 16,000 and 13 Meg speed tests.

In reply to a post by camieabz:

See my router data in my sig. Usually it sync at 15,500 stable with 12.8 Meg speeds, but I've seen 16,000 and 13 Meg speed tests.

SNRM 3.1dB, bandwidth 16000Kbps, attenuation 32.5dB and fastpath - looks good

xDSL profile 14000Kbps and throughput ~13500Kbps.

For LLU ~85% of 16000Kbps would be 13600Kbps - perhaps with a 6dB SNRM though?

Ahh, but I can't get LLU, so I'll just have to suffer.

In reply to a post by camieabz:

Ahh, but I can't get LLU, so I'll just have to suffer.

I don't think you are suffering though LOL!

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

The OP's brother is ona WBC-enabled exchange so XRaySpeX's description of the DLM is correct. You appear to be on non-WBC, which is unfortunate for you.

Given the WBC almost invisible DLM, which on a stable line will lower the sync-time margin to 3dB from its default 6dB, the TT default 9dB looks a bit underwhelming.

I had my doubts when XRaySpeX first started saying this sort of thing, but nearly all Orange stats I have seen since are very good compared to previous Orange LLU. He seems to have "the facts" on his side.

The question is anyway almost irrelevant to this instance.

Unforgivably those that have access to LLU and BTW 21CN , FTTC and cable forget that large parts of the country are still on BT non standard ADSL and my best hope of having ADSL2+ is rather with TalkTalk enabling my exchange as they already have more ADSL2+ equipment in exchanges than BT do and are still doing more small exchanges even as i type this .

So local to me , most of the larger villages now have TalkTalk equipment in and no BT21CN equipment , in fact one exchange did have Orange LLU but no BT21CN but luckily Sky and TalkTalk had LLU equipment there and BT did 21CN the exchange but not after losing Oranges customer to other providers .

TalkTalk default line profile is 12db and often gets reduced to 6db by there version of DLM that strangely is not normally active or used as a training period but seems to randomly do its work if it appears at all .

But i have to admit i was not aware of BT 21CN DLM and how it worked and thank your self and XRaySpeX for bringing this to my attention but that does not change the fact there are more TalkTalk LLU exchanges than BT21CN exchanges , allot more !

As you say thou " question is anyway almost irrelevant to this instance " and i agree and will now desist with taking this topic of track .

Edit: not forgetting Isfield that is local to me and has no broadband provision at there exchange and sits between two market 3 exchanges . So i don't feel bad about not having ADSL2+ but lucky to have broadband .

Edited by deleted (Tue 28-Aug-12 18:45:17)

You're welcome!

In reply to a post by woweebert:

but that does not change the fact there are more TalkTalk LLU exchanges than BT21CN exchanges , allot more !

Not too much more!

In reference to www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5388-bt-wholesale-continues-its-21cn-ad...:

ADSL2+ has been available in the UK for many years now, and TalkTalk leads the way in terms of national coverage with their service available to around 93% of UK homes. BT Wholesale is rolling out its own ADSL2+ service, and has now caught Sky in terms of coverage with BT Wholesale offering its service to around 85% of UK properties.

The 85% figure is not the end of the story, the current plan is to increase coverage to 90% by Spring 2013.

EDIT: True, that is in terms of homes not exchanges, for which I haven;t found the figures.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Tue 28-Aug-12 18:59:00)

the list you posted is actually very helpful as it shows BT are going after exchanges about the size of mine , thing is , so are TalkTalk and Sky , if you search the list you will find TalkTalk already have a presence at allot of the exchanges , this is especially true in my area of the world .

I don't think 85% coverage is that good when TalkTalk already have 93% as getting that last 8% of coverage over TalkTalk involves allot of exchanges .