Right, let me tell you where I am with this. I wouldn't consider any provider who didn't have their own backhaul or an unlimited product.

I would only choose BT Infinity, Sky or TalkTalk. And I'm currently with BT Infinity. They suit me and I don't have any problems - especially since I hacked my modem and switched off their creepy stuff.

Not sure but I thought BT traffic shaping is the same on fibre as on adsl.

That is correct roberto but I wanted to know prices of the routers to pay up front.

Just called plusnet and told it's £20 for wired and £40 for wireless. Think I would rather have wired but seems it only comes with one port. Can anybody tell me how many ports the wired router has?

I did ask him about how low torrents would go with traffic shaping but no real answer to that.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Nov-12 21:06:41)

BT Retail uses the BT Wholesale backhaul.

So does every other BT Wholesale-based ISP. So that's all except Sky, TT, and TalkTalk Business ISPs.

Far more important anyway is the budgeted capacity per customer at the BT Wholesale nodes. I.e. how much MSIL capacity per customer they rent from BT Wholesale, and exactly how that is allocated around the twenty of those. (Thus explaining why some Infinity customers have no slowdowns and others do).

I hold that your post is misguided.

As for "unlimited". I find it hard to believe you have no idea how much you use in a heavy month. I wager it is quite reasonable and that unlimited is unnecessary to you. No doubt you will provide a rough estimate, and I shall be happy to withdraw the comment if it is a huge number. However it will still be irrelevant to all except a tiny minority.

The router is free on bt just £6 for p+p

On the contrary, I'm undertaking a project to archive all the music available online. I have a great need for unlimited bandwidth and also disk space. I've solved the bandwidth problem but I need more SATA hard disks so I will be addressing a post here http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/t/4176659-...

Oooopss!!! Correction.

The previous router on 40/2 was a Netgear. They have now relegated that to "older routers" with the introduction of 40/10 and 80/20. It is a Technicolor TG582N with three 100Mbps LAN ports. The fourth port is firmware-enabled as the WAN port to connect to the modem. I have both!

The Buffalo has a separate WAN port and four LAN, as did the earlier Netgear.

Torrents = P2P = 2Mbps throttle 8pm-10pm as I said. I have seen no complaints about slowdowns below that, or huge ones at any other times.

Why would you want to buy the router? It makes no sense so to do. If you decide to leave with 12 months you pay for it then.
_{Edit - typo of "Why".}

Edited by RobertoS (Wed 07-Nov-12 21:27:02)

Is it any good? Do you know if you can use your own router? One like roberto suggested.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Nov-12 21:29:33)

I abandoned the Homehub as it's locked down tight. You can't change the DNS it uses for example. You are free to use your own router and even modem.

Thanks. Is it worth buying one from ebay or maybe that buffalo router? I just thought it would be better to pay upfront for the router, incase anything happens and so it's out the way.

Edited by deleted (Wed 07-Nov-12 21:30:14)