Dunno what you are talking about; you are talking in riddles!

have you at a loss at last! LMAO

No, not at last! You've done that from the beginning.

Xilo/uno, vivaciti, Freeola, Aquiss, maybe ADSL24.

Out of interest, how do those resellers differ technically from any BTw ISP, at a non-LLU exchange? Do they have their own networks?

Three of those I know use Enta Wholesale for non-LLU. One I think uses Daisy. The other I don't know.

Most or all also offer web and email hosting, possibly domain registration, possibly free at a basic level. Such offerings are all different.

Then there is the quality of support - I only list the ones I believe from observing what happens here to be sufficiently reliable.

No doubt there are other differences that aren't obvious to me. And plenty of perfectly good smaller ones we don't often hear of. Quite a few regular posters amongst them, at a niche level.

Ta! Ah yes, I was forgetting about the non-retail ISPs.

So even tho' they don't have LLU at the exchange their BTw offerings are better technically that those of the retail ISPs, like O2 Access?

Yes, I realise that the ancillary services and support are diff and better, but I'm just asking about the quality of the BB itself.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 07-Aug-13 03:33:15)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Dunno what you are talking about; you are talking in riddles!

In reply to a post by professor973:

TT LLU ???

Don't you know yourself???

In reply to a post by professor973:

my ISP seems to outperform all the rest with pings around 10, especially TT LLU

How can TT LLU outperform TT LLU?

I believe Professor is on Freeola an Enta reseller. Enta have their own specific backbone points from BTW.
As TTLLU relies on BT Backbone to their premises could very well be slower than Freeola.,

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

No, not at last! You've done that from the beginning.

Well I am sure Freeola Enta is not exactly the same as BTW and you seemed to think it was. My BQM was headed Freeola as was my signature, so when you went into babble-mode with TT LLU, I thought I might as play along with you, considering you may well be suffering from GMC. That's the trouble with forums, some of us may not live and eat BB, but we all like to think our grasp of things is the correct one. Don't let me upset your mostly good advice, as I would not join any club that would let the likes of me in!

Edited by professor973 (Wed 07-Aug-13 10:19:37)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Ta! Ah yes, I was forgetting about the non-retail ISPs.

So even tho' they don't have LLU at the exchange their BTw offerings are better technically that those of the retail ISPs, like O2 Access?

Yes, I realise that the ancillary services and support are diff and better, but I'm just asking about the quality of the BB itself.

Far better than O2 Access, TT non-LLU, and (historically at least) Sky Connect.

My guess is its simply the MSIL capacity, (equating to the 20CN BT Centrals), they rent, as the BTW backhaul from exchanges to the nodes where the MSILs are is just a huge cloud with no specific ISP-assignment.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Xilo/uno, vivaciti, Freeola, Aquiss, maybe ADSL24.

Thanks
Ruled out Vivaciti, due to their ignoring customer problems but, quickly criticising other ISP offerings on Thinkbroadband. Also expensive compared to Uno.
Ruled out Freeola due to problems and useless support last year.
Will go with Uno Office. Unlimited 8pm to 8am and weekends.50gb peak usage

Edited by flippery (Wed 07-Aug-13 19:36:47)