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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Wed 30-Nov-22 11:04:10
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Re: BT's FTTC v. Virgin Media's HFC


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One of your demands are against a VM weak point.

VM have suffered for years with jitter, which is essentially variable latency.

There is good VM areas where the jitter might be really low, but even those areas will be vulnerable to occasional spikes in latency which may depending on the game be a problem. It depends on the game really, if you playing something online thats not a twitch shooter, you will probably be fine. I think its only really shooters it would be a problem.

Streaming I assume you mean things like Netflix, VM should be fine on that, but at the same time FTTC will be more than enough as long as you get at least a 30mbit or so sync speed. Just on FTTC you will have to be careful to not do something like download a game same time as streaming. Whilst on my gig1 cable connection I can download a game and the connection is af its idle, no issues at all watching a stream at the same time. The reason for this is packet loss is much worse than jitter, and when your downstream is maxed out without shaping then packet loss will occur on your streaming.

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 30-Nov-22 11:05:23)

Standard User lo22
(learned) Wed 30-Nov-22 11:53:09
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Re: BT's FTTC v. Virgin Media's HFC


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In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
One of your demands are against a VM weak point.

VM have suffered for years with jitter, which is essentially variable latency.

There is good VM areas where the jitter might be really low, but even those areas will be vulnerable to occasional spikes in latency which may depending on the game be a problem. It depends on the game really, if you playing something online thats not a twitch shooter, you will probably be fine. I think its only really shooters it would be a problem.

Streaming I assume you mean things like Netflix, VM should be fine on that, but at the same time FTTC will be more than enough as long as you get at least a 30mbit or so sync speed. Just on FTTC you will have to be careful to not do something like download a game same time as streaming. Whilst on my gig1 cable connection I can download a game and the connection is af its idle, no issues at all watching a stream at the same time. The reason for this is packet loss is much worse than jitter, and when your downstream is maxed out without shaping then packet loss will occur on your streaming.


Hi thanks a lot for the explanation. I am indeed going to play an FPS shooter game, so therefore I have chosen to go for FTTC.

So when a FTTC is maxed out one experiences packet loss? Why is that? Just asking out of curiosity!
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 01-Dec-22 10:35:40
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Re: BT's FTTC v. Virgin Media's HFC


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I can only speak from my own experience.

If the line is saturated (maxed out utilisation) then packets will get dropped aka packet loss.

Assuming there is no prioritisation then it will be indiscriminate, so probably some packet loss on everything you do.

You can do QoS on your router to help mitigate this, and/or cap your game downloads to a specific speed, all the PC store apps have bandwidth cap features implemented. For consoles you could cap them via QoS on your router.

If you are the only gamer, I dont think its a big deal, you just dont download games/updates whilst you in a gaming session. (Plus I think consoles auto throttle downloads whilst a game is running).

I think you made the right choice going FTTC.

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 01-Dec-22 10:41:44)


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Standard User lo22
(learned) Fri 02-Dec-22 14:03:34
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Re: BT's FTTC v. Virgin Media's HFC


[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
I can only speak from my own experience.

If the line is saturated (maxed out utilisation) then packets will get dropped aka packet loss.

Assuming there is no prioritisation then it will be indiscriminate, so probably some packet loss on everything you do.

You can do QoS on your router to help mitigate this, and/or cap your game downloads to a specific speed, all the PC store apps have bandwidth cap features implemented. For consoles you could cap them via QoS on your router.

If you are the only gamer, I dont think its a big deal, you just dont download games/updates whilst you in a gaming session. (Plus I think consoles auto throttle downloads whilst a game is running).

I think you made the right choice going FTTC.


Exactly, regarding downloading when you are not playing!!

And cheers, I appreciate the feedback smile
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