In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Depends, my router doesn't have a modem and as more of us go for pure fibre there will be less router with built-in modems.

You will start to see more and more ont and a router combined. Quite a few altnets are using them

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Eeros also need an Amazon account for some reason while my router does have a feature for a TPLink ID, it is not needed unless I use the home shield or want to access the config of the router away from home.

yuck....... an account to use your router.

In reply to a post by Taras:

Eeros are just over priced.

Remember that a router is really a modem, router,switch, wifi access point, and other servers.

Turning off the router part with a wifi routers just makes into an ap/ switch. or with a modem router,into a modem or an ap/switch. That is nothing new.

Come free with TalkTalk

Price also comes down massively on Amazon Prime days and Black Friday. When discounted it made for a relatively cost effective mesh network and I now use it as the router as well as it is good enough for my needs.

In reply to a post by Taras:

You will start to see more and more ont and a router combined. Quite a few altnets are using them

Is there? Not sure if that is a good idea, fibre is pretty fragile and if people start mucking around with to put different routers on or to move their router then there will be more problems. More difficult to extend fibre for the majority of people. At least with an ONT, all I had to do was stick a longer Ethernet cable on it to put the router where I like

yuck....... an account to use your router.

I think it is possible not to link it to Amazon, but as far as i can make out, it still needs some sort of account, also by the seems of it you can't configure it via a computer and need an app on your mobile, but I could be wrong.
With my TP link, i can access basic settings via the app if I want to, but I need to log in with a browser to go deeper.
I don't like the idea of the Eero, being linked to an account run by some large company. No, thanks. I know I have echo units that is run by that company, but if Amazon gets funny with them, I can switch them off and no harm done, my internet is still accusable.

i am going to buy a mesh extension for my router, so I can get a signal outside in the backyard, well a better signal outside in the backyard . I just have to look at what TPlink have got, don't need anything superfast as it will only be for listening to music or audio books .

It gets worse, to use Dynamic DNS you'll need to stump up for an eero Plus subscription at £10/month!

I was about to post that this wasn't the case as I setup DDNS and don't have a subscription. But, I paid for a sub for the first year and decided that it wasn't worth renewing. I setup DDNS 4 days before the sub ran out and on checking it is no longer working and when I go into the settings it does indeed ask me to pay the subscription (although you can pay £99.99 for a year which is cheaper than the monthly payment). Ah well, was only using it for the BQM anyway so haven't lost much.

When I had the sub I started using it for the ad blocking but found a number of sites that won't serve content if blocking ads so I turned it off. Must admit the subscription is possibly the worst part of the Eero setup but for the most part I am not that worried about the features it provides. Maybe when it comes time to get Wifi6E or Wifi7 I might find a different mesh tech but those at the moment are just too expensive.

I did use TPLink some years back for a wifi extender but the devices I had weren't great. Haven't tried the full mesh equipment - maybe they would be better value and similar performance?

Someone else, less knowledgeable, might take what you stated as gospel. Just clarifying.

A little off topic, but are Aquiss fttp connections now completely over the openreach network? I always thought you handed over your backhaul to the entanet network at the earliest opportunity?

Many apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick here, but do Aquiss meet the OP's requirements of sticking with the same infrastructure that BT use?

I'd be delighted if I'm wrong about this, as I'd add Aquiss to my short list too if you don't hand over backhaul to another network at some point in its journey to the main data centres in London.

I sincerely doubt Aquiss have presence in every FTTP handover exchange - it's really only BT Wholesale and TalkTalk who can do that. Maybe Sky as well, not sure.

The issues that some providers have had is not because they didn't have their own backhaul, it's because they couldn't purchase capacity on those links in time or manage supplier relationships effectively. Some providers using Zen backhaul when Zen were (are?) having issues somewhere between their network and the Openreach OLTs was to go "oh, thanks for explaining that to us, bye" and not move customers to other links or push back on Zen to get their service fixed.

Edited by jpm (Tue 23-Apr-24 18:01:08)

In reply to a post by Spudgun:

A little off topic, but are Aquiss fttp connections now completely over the openreach network? I always thought you handed over your backhaul to the entanet network at the earliest opportunity?

Many apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick here, but do Aquiss meet the OP's requirements of sticking with the same infrastructure that BT use?

Aquiss get the IP services from City Fibre, whom I have found to be consistently reliable over 15 years, with a gap of 2 years until recently. I only know that I am using City Fibre now because I recognise the IP addresses of the DNS

As I understand OP's requirements, they want OR for the 'first mile' in order to have a choice of suppliers, otherwise they are not stipulating how it is done.