In reply to a post by BatBoy:

but a keyboard appears when required.

That's not a keyboard it's a touchscreen.

In reply to a post by Pipexer:

Most sources suggest the update will be free to Windows 8 customers. It will be free to Windows Phone 8 customers almost certainly. The server flavor might not be but that is covered by different agreements anyway and its not so easy to just upgrade servers like that.

Personally, if is a nominal fee I will not mind at all.

And if you are lucky Microsoft might open up the upgrade to older OS versions

I doubt I will bother even if it is free to be honest, form what have been said the differences will be minimal, most of them focused on the new UI, which i don't use. also the start menu application i use will not work with windows 8.1 or it don't work with the leaked version

So may as well stay with windows 8 and startisback .

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Its only a good OS if you a fan of touch devices, its aweful to use with a mouse, has various functions removed, and is buggy.

That is just plain wrong though. Windows 8 works perfectly with mouse and keyboard. In fact, its the best OS yet for that, because the keyboard shortcuts and search options/technology has been improved. Mouse support is also greatly improved in the way it behaves in multiple monitor scenarios (by stopping it moving across screen if you are right in the edge... which historically could be a PITA).

People are just perceiving it isn't as good with mouse and keyboard.... like someone I work with who is under the impression you aren't meant to install Windows 8 on machines because it is for touch only. Lucky for me I have the final say.

Again, buggy, not sure about that.

As yet I've heard no proper reason to hate Windows 8 on this forum, Camia likes his Vista installation and that is fair enough, but saying Windows 8 is poor based on no reasonable evidence is poor.

Maybe someone could explain this fervour for a desktop? I rarely see my Windows desktop, let alone actually use it for anything.

The Amiga 1000, complete with WIMPs and first developed in 1982, was unveiled at CES early in the summer of 1984.

Edited by Deadbeat (Wed 08-May-13 00:06:24)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

Maybe someone could explain this fervour for a desktop? I rarely see my Windows desktop, let alone actually use it for anything.

Not sure what you mean by that- do you run everything full-screen?

I can do that on the Mac but I don't. I like multiple apps to be visible for ease of switching, even more so as I run two monitors.

Each to their own.

In reply to a post by billford:

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

According to Windows 8, we've abandoned mice in favour of the keyboard.

Can't really comment on that, but it seems unlikely. AIUI, Win8 is aimed for ease of use on tablets etc, which don't have keyboards.

I promise you, as someone who spends 10+ hours a day on Windows 8 computers which aren't tablets (i.e. work and home), this is just not the case.

I actually found the move from XP to Windows 7 many more times harder to adjust to than the move from 7 to 8...

btw I'm always on the Desktop.... yes in Windows 8... very rarely use the metro apps (but the live tiles are quite handy).

Edited by Pipexer (Wed 08-May-13 00:11:11)

In reply to a post by Deadbeat:

The Amiga 1000, complete with WIMPs and first developed in 1982, was unveiled at CES early in the summer of 1984.

About 18 months after the Lisa, introduced in January 1983.


eta- Developed starting in 1978, see top of link.

Edited by billford (Wed 08-May-13 00:11:56)

No, I use the taskbar to switch between apps. I use the taskbar for just about everything. Unlike Macs, you only have one desktop on Windows and I can't see a use for it.

I dont guess anything, I have used windows 8 for myself and my post is based on my own experience. I even spent many hours testing it and trying to make it workable for myself (as well as buying some licenses) but couldnt reach that point.

Someone has also posted the list of features removed in windows 8, the list is very real and not made up, but of course the view on that will depend if you actually used those features or not.

So I can use windows 8, just it doesnt look as nice (aero in vista and windows 7 is a real work of art), its harder to use as in tasks take longer and i came across some bugs.

Also important is I have no real reason to upgrade to it, been newer isnt a valid reason. I am not one of those who falls into the novelty factor.