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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 01-Jun-15 23:18:10
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Certainly looks like time dilation to me. You sure you haven't got the CPU near a black hole?
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 01-Jun-15 23:45:33
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Ah, my older Pentium D is single threaded. This is my desktop. I'll have a look at my Intel i5 lappy, which has 4 threads also, tomorrow.

So it seems that a single threaded 2-core processor computes exactly. Your threads must be getting frayed & stretching wink.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 02-Jun-15 00:41:47
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
If I have time tomorrow I'll do a screenshot soon after booting up, then one a few hours later.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 03-Jun-15 02:14:50
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Sorry, I started the lappy, then left it. Of course it went to stand-by and screwed up the timing. I'll try again tomorrow.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 03-Jun-15 10:35:20
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Right, finally got round to it, at least to start with smile.

Have you taken account of Fast Start-up, a Power Option? PC state is carried forward thro' Shutdown to Start-up, so CPU Times are cumulative.

Think it might not be applicable to Restart rather than Shutdown.

Just getting started. Be back later after a few reboots.

EDIT: How do you make Task Mgr remember its columns? I keep having to re-add CPU Time.

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Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 03-Jun-15 10:38:31)

Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 03-Jun-15 12:24:54
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
...is it affecting your PC's performance / output?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 03-Jun-15 13:58:54
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


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Thanks XRaySpeX.

I didn't post yesterday because I loaded Task Manager 40 minutes after a cold boot, having done nothing but log in to Windows. It was showing 191+ hours CPU time., and all the other rows on the top screen were in hours as well. So I concluded for some reason it wasn't clearing down.

Which is what you have just explained!! smile smile

So instead of trying to find out from scratch what is going on I have a starting point from you.

IIRC I did do a restart for some other reason, or it may have been a hard switch-off, and that reset it. This system does seem to hang at times, but in an odd way. Not always completely - for instance IE11 may stop responding but will close, and on re-opening works - but slowly. Similar other effects. Thunderbird similarly.

Only "disc" is SSD and fast boot appears to be on. Though booting from SSD on a machine I sent back was even quicker - maybe that wasn't saving the state.

Regarding saving the state, that was one of the clues I had found. Closing IE with tabs open before closing down always results in not just the tabs re-opening as per my options setting, but with the previous contents not the current.

Anyway, another busy day ahead, so I shall not be investigating for now. Thanks again for your input.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 03-Jun-15 14:01:09
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: camieabz] [link to this post]
 
Hi camiabz. No, the performance is fine (except when it isn't but the two are not related). See XRaySpeX's post and my reply just now to him.

I shall play around with settings another day, and report back smile.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 03-Jun-15 15:42:41
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Re: Task Manager CPU idle time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
I can't fathom out when CPU Times are ever zeroised. I've tried Shutdown from button, Shutdown from menu, Restart. Yet CPU Times continues ever upwards.

My total CPU Time is about 56 hours, so even assuming a factor of 8 (2 core x 4 threads) what was I doing differently 7 uptime hours ago? I'm going to have to monitor it more closely. Of course times may just be modulo.

Any ideas?

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Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 03-Jun-15 16:17:58)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 04-Jun-15 02:07:42
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& the Answer is: CPU Time = Threads x Up Time


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Found out how to set CPU Times back to zero; by a Restart but not Shutdown.

On my Intel® Core� i5-4200U (2-core 4-threads) today after a Restart I ran for 6h 12m and total CPU Time clocked up 24h 47m.

CPU Time / Up Time = 24.783 / 6.200 = 3.997 ~= No. of threads.

So the no. of quoted threads must be in total and not per core as you were thinking. I presume it must work by the hardware scheduler having 4 threads to share out between the 2 cores as and when it sees fit.

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