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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 22-Dec-15 00:19:29
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I wasn't criticising the OP.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 22-Dec-15 00:28:59
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However, although the experience related supports my opinion, you criticise me for saying so.

Cloud-cuckoo land.

Find me the similar problems with Win 7 and Win 8. Most complaints were just about dislike of the GUI revisions. They did what they said on the tin.

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
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Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 22-Dec-15 00:48:03
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I wasn't criticising you either. I was merely commenting on the vagaries of Windows (and computers in general, I suppose).

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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 22-Dec-15 02:24:50
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
It is equally valid to conclude that the existence of the thread supports my objective and unprejudiced view smile.

Yes because Microsoft are automatically to blame for a faulty bluetooth device driver, aren't they?

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Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Tue 22-Dec-15 07:21:23
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To extrapolate like that from a single complaint is a little unscientific. To counter the OP, I have four Windows 10 installations that have no significant problems (I don't have any OS installation that doesn't have some problem).

Therefore we can conclude that the OP's experience is a minority one? That would be a pretty stupid conclusion to draw from 5 installations. My experience with computers is that if someone is determined that things will go wrong they almost certainly will. You see it all the time with people trying to install Linux. You never see it with OS X (well, rarely) because Apple users are convinced their systems are perfect. wink
Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Tue 22-Dec-15 07:23:59
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Now you are saying that only a few hundreds of thousands of people have successfully installed Windows 10 whereas millions have failed to do so?
Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Tue 22-Dec-15 07:30:04
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Find me the similar problems with Win 7 and Win 8.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/10109-63-error-i...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/632-73-problem-i...

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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 22-Dec-15 08:11:20
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To be fair there were fewer issues with upgrades on Win 7 and Win 8. But, there was a reason for this...

Microsoft charged for Win 7 and Win 8 upgrades. The majority of people didn't attempt an upgrade. Most people just waited until they replaced their device rather than do an upgrade. Problems with device drivers and software compatibility were significant with Win 7.

So, in a way it is entirely Microsoft's fault as they have encouraged people to upgrade to Win 10 for free for the first year. That means a lot of people will attempt an upgrade to get the free one rather than just waiting until they eventually replace their computer.
Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Tue 22-Dec-15 08:53:44
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There is a certain amount of truth in that, although I would still contend that we are seeing a hysterical overreaction to the reporting of Windows 10 problems. As I demonstrated, it is easy to find exactly the same complaints made at the time about installing earlier versions of Windows (and a quick Google will reveal many, many more).

Personally I think that it's a good thing that Microsoft have offered a free upgrade to Windows 10. Those who don't like it don't have to take up the offer, but constantly sniping with the same inaccurate comments is not helpful. Others have provided helpful suggestions as to the solution of potential problems and this seems to me a more useful approach.

If Windows 10 is so fundamentally flawed it is difficult to understand how the computer manufacturers manage to install it successfully.
Standard User micksharpe
(legend) Tue 22-Dec-15 09:47:51
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I think that we are seeing the usual problems that attend any O/S release, except that they are being compounded by problems with Windows Update. Microsoft has issued some bad patches to Windows Update that, in some circumstances, make it hog system resources and run very, very slowly (if at all). These problems are present on Windows 7 and all subsequent releases, and can manifest themselves during attempted upgrades to Windows 10 since this process also uses the Windows Update service. Routine updates to Windows 7 through 8.1 are also affected.

Microsoft seems to have been very coy about this problem and no explanation or definitive solution has been offered. Various "fixes" are available but they all involve using Windows Update, the very software that is broken. There is, of course, the Windows Update Stand-Alone tool (WUSA). The only problem with this is that it insists on the Windows Update service being started and it is this that slows everything to a crawl. It ought to run in safe mode but it won't since the Windows Update service can't be started in safe mode. What a dog's breakfast!

My laptop (running Windows 7 32-bit) is busy updating itself. It has taken all night to decide that 37 important updates need to be applied. It claims to have downloaded 76% of 155 MB but is timing out since the update service is making it run much more slowly than usual. Since typing the last sentence it has jumped to 96%, so maybe it will start applying them soon. I shall leave it running for as long as it takes. Hopefully, normal (Windows Update) service will then be resumed.

As for Windows 10, it would be silly not to try it out while the free upgrade is on offer, but I think that I shall keep my current machines on Windows 7 for as long as is practicable. This is what I did when I was using Windows 2000. Except for having to replace my favourite scanner (since Canon were too mean to provide 64-bit drivers), the eventual move to Windows 7 SR1 was a problem-free experience. Why buy new gloves if your old gloves are perfectly serviceable and fit you like... well, a comfortable pair of old gloves?

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