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Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 05-Jan-16 11:47:36
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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The problem is anyone remotely positive about something is considered a fanboy.

Many people will have installed Win 10 without issue. A number of people have had some issues. The Internet is not a good place to work out the real numbers of either group as most people do not post their experiences.

Personally I have now installed it on 3 machines and have had some sort of issue with all 3 (and it is actually 3 different issues). However, most OSs have similar problems therefore whether Windows 10 is better/worse than any other initial OS release is difficult to judge on the info available - in many ways each release will appear worse due to the ever increasing use of the Internet which makes any issues more visible.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 05-Jan-16 14:27:33
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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I admit, I was very reluctant to let go of Windows XP Pro, but once I had W7 Pro on a new machine, I liked it better.

That said, I do not look forward to having no choice regarding having to use Windows 10 - I still use a full sized, large screen desktop, and for me personally, W10 would be better suited to a hand held device.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 05-Jan-16 14:33:59
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Win 7 is still supported until 2020. Who knows what MS will have done to Windows by then...


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Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Tue 05-Jan-16 14:50:08
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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In reply to a post by TrishaH:
for me personally, W10 would be better suited to a hand held device.
Why?

What about Windows 10 makes it more suitable for a handheld device than a desktop? I really don't understand comments like that.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 05-Jan-16 15:39:18
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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In reply to a post by ian72:
Win 7 is still supported until 2020. Who knows what MS will have done to Windows by then...
That's good to know - but I wonder if they'll (computer company) install W7 if I need a new computer.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:
Why?
What about Windows 10 makes it more suitable for a handheld device than a desktop? I really don't understand comments like that.
Just what I've seen so far - seems more geared towards tablets and smaller notebook computers.
When our eldest gets his desktop set up again (since moving house) I'll take a closer look if he uses W10.
For now, both sons use iPads.
That said - I'd happily try a Surface Pro, but only as a portable device for general things other than work.

I'm the type of person who likes to have the choice, and run with the thought that if it's working well for me, then why change it.

Also, I consider myself lucky to have had 3 o/s's and still have my obsolete website programme working - I think I'd be pushing my luck to have it happen with W10.
Standard User TinyMongomery
(experienced) Tue 05-Jan-16 15:54:16
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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I may be mistaken but it does sound to me as if you haven't actually tried Windows 10, which may explain some confusion.

Windows 10 can run in either desktop mode (as it would on a normal computer) when it acts much like any other version of Windows, or in tablet mode (as it would on a tablet) when it acts more like a tablet OS. And the great thing is that on these hybrids with detachable keyboards, or screens that fold back, it automatically switches to the appropriate mode.

All this talk of it being a "tablet operating system" is just that; just talk. That was certainly more true of Windows 8, but Microsoft have learnt their lessons from that.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 05-Jan-16 15:57:28
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but I wonder if they'll (computer company) install W7 if I need a new computer.


Few companies will be offering Win 7 on new devices so you may have to jump at some point if you don't own a "full" copy of Win 7 or are not up to installing it on new PCs (it is also possible that some hardware on new devices may not have Win 7 drivers in the coming months/years).

Win 10 itself is actually quite good on a non-touch device. It is much less geared to touch than Win 8 was.

My reluctance at the moment is I have had minor issues on all 3 devices I have upgraded - one actually is a major issue but I haven't bothered sorting it yet. However, give it another 3-6 months and hopefully MS will have improved it further. I will upgrade all of my devices before the 12 months is up (unless of course MS announce an extension in which case I might leave it longer).
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 05-Jan-16 16:34:40
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:
I may be mistaken but it does sound to me as if you haven't actually tried Windows 10, which may explain some confusion.
True - as I said, when one of our sons gets his desktop set up again, I'll take a closer look smile
For now, from what I read in reviews and from users, there seems to be divided views, so I'll wait until I can try it.

Windows 10 can run in either desktop mode (as it would on a normal computer) when it acts much like any other version of Windows, or in tablet mode (as it would on a tablet) when it acts more like a tablet OS. And the great thing is that on these hybrids with detachable keyboards, or screens that fold back, it automatically switches to the appropriate mode.

All this talk of it being a "tablet operating system" is just that; just talk. That was certainly more true of Windows 8, but Microsoft have learnt their lessons from that.
All makes it sound more user friendly then!

I do like the look of the Surface Pro because I always prefer a keyboard & mouse to prodding at a screen wink

In reply to a post by ian72:
but I wonder if they'll (computer company) install W7 if I need a new computer.


Few companies will be offering Win 7 on new devices so you may have to jump at some point if you don't own a "full" copy of Win 7 or are not up to installing it on new PCs (it is also possible that some hardware on new devices may not have Win 7 drivers in the coming months/years).
I seem to recall asking them about having an option for W7 when I do need a new computer, and think they said exactly that.
Also, MS charge them a lot more once they have a new o/s available.
No saying when this computer will start to wobble - it's had a lot of use - so the longer it lasts, the less time for support of W7!

Don't suppose there's a 'virtual machine' for W7?

Win 10 itself is actually quite good on a non-touch device. It is much less geared to touch than Win 8 was.

My reluctance at the moment is I have had minor issues on all 3 devices I have upgraded - one actually is a major issue but I haven't bothered sorting it yet. However, give it another 3-6 months and hopefully MS will have improved it further. I will upgrade all of my devices before the 12 months is up (unless of course MS announce an extension in which case I might leave it longer).
Can't see me changing to a touch screen if I still have a standard desktop, so perhaps I'll find it OK when the time comes.

As you say though, wonder what they'll be challenging us with next
Standard User cheshire_man
(knowledge is power) Tue 05-Jan-16 16:36:03
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Re: No apologies for raising Win 10 again


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Windows 10 can run in either desktop mode (as it would on a normal computer) when it acts much like any other version of Windows...
I quite agree.

Looking at my laptop on the table behind me, the desktop looks almost identical to Windows 7, the laptop's predecessor. The only visible difference is a couple of extra items on the Task Bar (which can be removed if so desired), and slightly different looking icons in the Status Area. Sure, click the Start button - and quite a few people I know never use Start - and it's different but can readily be made Windows 7 like.

See this screen print of my Windows 10 laptop.

In everyday use Windows 10 is just like Windows 7. Under the bonnet there are differences and some of the controls are presented differently, but no more so than, say, Windows 7 over Windows XP.

I've had problems with Windows 10 which I've mentioned elsewhere and will update in a few days, but they've all been a consequence of the update from 7 to 10, not a problem with 10 itself.

I certainly intend to continue to use Windows 10.

Tony
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 05-Jan-16 16:50:16
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In reply to a post by cheshire_man:
In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:
Windows 10 can run in either desktop mode (as it would on a normal computer) when it acts much like any other version of Windows...
I quite agree.

Looking at my laptop on the table behind me, the desktop looks almost identical to Windows 7, the laptop's predecessor. The only visible difference is a couple of extra items on the Task Bar (which can be removed if so desired), and slightly different looking icons in the Status Area. Sure, click the Start button - and quite a few people I know never use Start - and it's different but can readily be made Windows 7 like. See this screen print of my Windows 10 laptop.
That looks a lot better than screenshots I've seen of W8, so perhaps I've been influenced by that! smile
Is the 'start' button the white windows icon extreme left?
I use the start button a fair bit daily for searches, favourites and disk cleanup.

I use the Snipping Tool a fair bit too - does W10 have that?

In everyday use Windows 10 is just like Windows 7. Under the bonnet there are differences and some of the controls are presented differently, but no more so than, say, Windows 7 over Windows XP.
I found W7 interesting to use right after XP, but in a good way smile
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