This what I have never understood about Live Tiles. Anyone using the desktop in 7 or 8 doesn't see them anyway and is far more likely to leave the machine resting with at least one window open that revert to the Start screen.

For instance, I always have at least one browser window and my email client open. The only time I switch from there is to use MS Solitaire, and when not playing I swipe back to Desktop.

What happens on 10? How do live tiles become useful without minimising everything?

Is Edge any better than the Metro version of IE11? That defeated the whole object of Windows. Utterly cumbersome to use its multiple tab function.

Which question?

What I can suggest is that you apologise to Trishah for misunderstanding her very clear post.

In reply to a post by TrishaH:

I know that ads showing the screen with the tiles was what immediately put me off it. If the desktop can look more like W7, then that's OK.

If I reinstalled Windows 10 I would use a third party menu, in fact it would be the same one I use for Windows 8.1 called startisback and yes it is all one word but that one is not free, but I think it is one of the better start menus. If you want free then Classic shell will work.
that is if MS don't try to stop people using these third party menus.

I suppose appearance is something to get used to, but I don't like how there's always things that need to be ironed out and corrected after people start complaining about things that are clunky or unsafe.

I can understand why MS went for the flat look on both 8.1 and 10 and that is so the OS can run on machines with less graphic power, but it would have been nice to be given a choice. Windows 10 is worse than Windows 8 in that manner. There is software to change the look like Windows blinds, but
(a) it is not free
(b) when I used it with XP years ago it was a resource hog, I know machines are more powerful now.


The main problem is a lot of these bugs and problems MS knew about before windows 10 was launched and yet they still launched it. this is why I say it is still beta and always will be, because they use the excuse of it being a service.
MS must think all of us was born yesterday.

Cortana on a phone was another thing I didn't like seeing in the TV ads. Would certainly dispense with that.

Cortana is disabled as default, but some of the data collection associated with it is still on, like getting to know you. I do not see Cortana being much use on a desktop, very few desktops have microphones unless you have a webcam with one and I am not sure what use it will be anyway unless you are tied into the MS environment.
You can get rid of the search box to either a icon on the task bar or just get rid of it full stop.

On a mobile phone Cortana would be as useful as Siri and Ok Google is and to be honest I think both of them are lacking. The best thing I use OK google for is to ask for the weather and to set a timer when I am baking and a alarm.

Advantages or not, seems we don't get a choice ..after all, we're only the customer Still, I can sort of see that keeping 2 O/s's updated would be hard for MS!

This we don't have a choice is what MS is looking for, which is why they are pushing Windows 10, Windows 7 will be supported until at least 2020 and Windows 8.1 another 3 years after that.
You could update to Windows 10 and then roll back to your old OS which is what I did, now I can update to Windows 10 even after the update offer ends.
A lot of people think they will extend that anyway as it is not doing as well as MS hoped, even if they keep telling us that Windows 10 is on 200 million devices, they forget to mention that includes Xbox ones, where people do not have a choice.

I will install Windows 10 again if they
(a) stop the forced downloads
(b) stopped the spying

While I am not 100% happy with Windows 8.1 and I still prefer Windows 7, I prefer it to Windows 10.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

There are no ads on the start screen. That's part of the misinformation spread about 10.

If you wish you can have suggestions of apps feom the app store that you might be interested in, based on what you have downloaded already, which can be a useful feature. You can turn this off if you don't like it.

You did not read her post correctly and she did not say anything about ads in the start screen,

But saying about that, how long will it be before it happens? At the moment they are only suggestions and you can turn them off, but how long will that last? Just think MS can advertise their newest and best Office or have a subscription for their Office 360.

If I'm right that Win 10 is to become an annual subscription product for new installations after the free period, it could be the thin end of the wedge for an advert-loaded restricted facility entry-level free version at that point.

You can choose to work in whichever way suits you best. I have never thought that increased choice in an operating system is a fault.

If someone doesn't use the Start Screen then it's layout, and live tiles, won't impact on them; if they do (particularly, obviously, tablet or phone users) then these things become an advantage.

New paradigms often bring about new methods of working; but if that doesn't suit you there's nothing to complain about.

That doesn't answer any of my questions.

I'm not here to answer questions, just to give my opinion.

I've never used IE or Edge, so I have no opinion on them.

I'm not trying to convert those who have made their minds up; but I do wish to refute misinformation that is so often seen about Windows 10 (as it was with Windows 8.1, 8, 7, Vista, XP, 2000, .... There is little new under the sun.)

Exactly.

OK. Live Tiles are a waste of time as they are visible to any serious users of the Desktop.

Fact.