In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

A bit like Apple, really.

At end, Win10 will have had a lifetime of 10 years in August 2025. Similarly Win7 had a lifetime of 10 years (2009 to 2019), and they both ran on similar hardware. If your computer pre-dates 2018 then it is possible it won't run Win11, Intel 8th Gen CPU (or AMD equivalent), and TPM required. Many computers from 2015 onwards came with TPM but a lot of consumer motherboards did not.

Apple did the same thing, modern macOS versions require Intel CPUs from 2018 or later, and their general upport lifetime has been 6 or 7 years from original purchase. Apple has now lost interest in Intel and the rumour sites reckon next year will be the last macOS for Intel.

At some respects its buyer beware... sadly.

Linux is very impressive, but 90% of it is servers; the statistics seem to show the bulk of home users are on tablets and smartphones in 2024.

Corporates have different rules, as the board is respondible to shareholders for any security lapses, this pushes companies into making sure their IT environment CAN be patched/secured.

Edited by jchamier (Sun 28-Jul-24 13:24:46)

"Way too much online panic about the end of support for W10, far too many machines being scrapped without need."

I still use a PC with XP, not for banking obviously, and as far as I know haven't had any issues.

Other machines are W7, W10 and W11.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

A bit like Apple, really.

i suppose they are all the same in that way, but at the moment Apple intel based systems are still being supported.
I don;t understand why Ms put such a limit on Windows 11, where there is no need to, after all it will run fine on my Ryzen 7 1700, but officially Ms don't want me to. Also, Ms is not Apple, while MS do sell hardware, they don't sell a great deal of it, lots of third party companies produce hardware that runs windows. Apple hardware is the only thing that runs macOS officially, sure there was such a thing as Hackintosh. So Apple reason for not supporting older hardware is to sell newer hardware. Not saying it is right, but I can understand why they do it, after all they are there to make money.

I friend still uses a trash can mac pro and i think it is supported until next year, so not too bad. Not that it was a great machine to be honest, but it does what she need it to do.

Really? My understanding is that the Trash Can Pro can’t runny any OS later than Monterey, whereas practically any PC can run all but the newest version of Windows.

Mint sounds more my speed if this is to be believed

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/29/linus_mint_22...

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i suppose they are all the same in that way, but at the moment Apple intel based systems are still being supported.

The rumour is 2025's OS release will be Apple Silicon only.

I don;t understand why Ms put such a limit on Windows 11, where there is no need to, after all it will run fine on my Ryzen 7 1700, but officially Ms don't want me to.

They made a decision that 2018 era Intel CPUs with certain instruction sets in chip would be required for the newer security features they wanted in the OS. Apple did the same thing, recent macOS for Intel requires a 2018 Gen8 Intel CPU or later.

If Win11 works on your Ryzen without using third party tools to get it to install, then great, its supported. If you use third party tools, then its completely in your court when an update arrives that stops it booting.

So Apple reason for not supporting older hardware is to sell newer hardware. Not saying it is right, but I can understand why they do it, after all they are there to make money.

Precisely... some people would prefer if Apple moved to 10 year support published, not the random 7 years.

These operating systems contain hundred of millions of lines of code (and at least several million probably insofar as interaction with the hardware) and it is not reasonable to expect Microsoft or Apple to be able to support the latest versions on the oldest of processors. At some point you need to draw a line and say we cannot support old hardware, or perhaps more accurately in some cases, test that all scenarios will work.

It is the same with all things in life, cars, electronics, etc.

Sometimes people don't realise the complexity behind things, and that there are cause and effect situations, so it's easy to remark that they are doing it for deliberate obsolencence when actually it's just not pragmatic or feasible to be able to support.

In reply to a post by TinyMongomery:

Really? My understanding is that the Trash Can Pro can’t runny any OS later than Monterey, whereas practically any PC can run all but the newest version of Windows.

My mistake, you are correct, officially the trash can can't run anything higher than Monterey. My friend is running Yosemite on hers. She is not fond of the later versions.
But as she is now thinking of getting a newer mac, she will have no choice.

In reply to a post by gomezz:

Mint sounds more my speed if this is to be believed

https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/29/linus_mint_22...

Mint is a nice Linux distro, the cinnamon desktop is good. I installed Mint onto a few machines over the years, laptops and other peoples machines, most are still using it. If i get myself a new laptop, Mint will be going on there.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

The rumour is 2025's OS release will be Apple Silicon only.

Not a surprise, this is what apple is concentrating on now.

They made a decision that 2018 era Intel CPUs with certain instruction sets in chip would be required for the newer security features they wanted in the OS. Apple did the same thing, recent macOS for Intel requires a 2018 Gen8 Intel CPU or later.

Apple did it to sell more hardware, I like my Apple Mac, but Apple is like any other company, they do things to make more money.

I think Microsoft should have left the choice to people, if people wanted to risk without the newer security stuff and run it on older hardware than let them do it.
But Ms seems to be controlling these days, more so than Apple.

If Win11 works on your Ryzen without using third party tools to get it to install, then great, its supported. If you use third party tools, then its completely in your court when an update arrives that stops it booting.

I realise that, and I expect most people who put Windows 11 on a machine that don't officially support it knows it as well. I put windows 10 back on a while ago.

Precisely... some people would prefer if Apple moved to 10 year support published, not the random 7 years.

10 years is a long time in computer terms, i know technology is not moving as fast as it used to, apart from maybe Arm, but it is still a fair few years.
Saying that, a ten-year-old machine will still work fine for a lot of people, which is why it is good that Linux is there.