In reply to a post by tommy45:

In reply to a post by aparat:

True.

Lates I was told and it was 13 days ago was :
The issue is now with the Openreach Network and design team.
They are currently working through a number of� potential � fixes for the issue.

So same old its with BT OR.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/05/uk-isp-... is somewhat interesting

Well considering Jon Bauer (ex director of technology at TT) helped build the UK's largest all IP network its no great surprise that he's in great demand and Zen have snapped him up.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Well considering Jon Bauer (ex director of technology at TT) helped build the UK's largest all IP network its no great surprise that he's in great demand and Zen have snapped him up.

Depending on the definition of "largest" I'd imagine BT themselves would hold that title.

TT might have more IP MSANs in more exchanges than BT currently do, though, but Openreach's FTTC rollout would likely eclipse it (and would explain why BT aren't rushing to catch up at the exchange level). Sky aren't exactly that far behind either. I would imagine that BT has a far more substantial IP transit network than TT.

Edited by deleted (Sat 14-May-16 09:34:32)

You do know that BT based FTTC services are based on BT's WBC/21CN (aka all IP network) right? BT/Sky often won't touch rural exchanges with a bargepole wrt bringing their respective WBC/ADSL2+ services and FTTC to many rural exchanges is nothing more than a wet dream. Yet TalkTalk have heavily invested and reached many rural parts by making their ADSL2+ network available to 96% of the UK population.

Edited by deleted (Sat 14-May-16 09:49:48)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

You do know that BT based FTTC services are based on BT's WBC/21CN (aka all IP network) right? BT/Sky often won't touch rural exchanges with a bargepole wrt bringing their respective WBC/ADSL2+ services and FTTC to many rural exchanges is nothing more than a wet dream. Yet TalkTalk have heavily invested and reached many rural parts by making their ADSL2+ network available to 96% of the UK population.

I'm not sure what your point is. I'm simply saying that BT likely operates more IP MSANs than TalkTalk now. They're just not all in exchanges anymore. I'm pointing out that "largest IP network" can mean a lot of different things.

At least in my own case, BT installed ADSL2+ at around the same time TalkTalk LLU'd my exchange, which was after the bulk of the village got FTTC or FTTP.

FTTC/FTTP in many rural exchanges is far from a wet dream, as that's the entire point of Superfast Cornwall and the BDUK projects. As your own forum signature seems to admit!

No operator is going to go on a mass ADSL spree anymore, as the future is fibre to the X

Edited by deleted (Sat 14-May-16 09:57:27)

Anyway leaving aside the argument who's network is the biggest, its clear that Zen want to significantly expand their own network and they've done that by hiring the ex TT network director. I suspect many of the problems in this thread wouldn't exist if most/all of Zen's FTTC or ADSL2+ traffic ran over their own network as obviously they would have far more control and be able to pin-point any issues far quicker instead of having to be at the mercy of BT wholesale.

Edited by deleted (Sat 14-May-16 10:19:46)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

Anyway leaving aside the argument who's network is the biggest, its clear that Zen want to significantly expand their own network and they've done that by hiring the ex TT network director. I suspect many of the problems in this thread wouldn't exist if most/all of Zen's FTTC or ADSL2+ traffic ran over their own network as obviously they would have far more control and be able to pin-point any issues far quicker instead of having to be at the mercy of BT wholesale.

I understand that at least one of us with this issue is on the Zen network - not BT Wholesale.

This is possibly why Zen keep "blaming" Openreach, not BTW

Edited by deleted (Sat 14-May-16 11:26:56)

In reply to a post by sor:

In reply to a post by aparat:

Zen support even told me other ISPs are affected so changing might not help it. True or false?

I'd say false, firstly because you shouldn't trust what a company says about its competitors, and secondly because I've heard some real BS from Zen's support team during the handling of this issue.

Can't say we're noticing any drop in performance on any non-Zen FTTC services. So I doubt it.

I randomly see poor single threaded performance sometimes muti threaded too But downloads to other sources are ok And Zen's speed test gives full throughput for both single and multi threaded
It's like there is an issue with something in-between zen's Manchester and London link or with it's peering to think broadband , I'm connected via Manchester

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 14-May-16 21:45:57)

In reply to a post by sor:

I understand that at least one of us with this issue is on the Zen network - not BT Wholesale.

This is possibly why Zen keep "blaming" Openreach, not BTW

Yes. I'm seeing this from speedtest.zen.co.uk and I'm on a Zen POP.

Everyone with the issue here appears to be on a London gateway. Has anyone asked to be moved to Manchester?

Simon.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

I randomly see poor single threaded performance sometimes muti threaded too But downloads to other sources are ok And Zen's speed test gives full throughput for both single and multi threaded
It's like there is an issue with something in-between zen's Manchester and London link or with it's peering to think broadband , I'm connected via Manchester

I've noticed that TBB's new speed test is often showing poor throughput for me on a number of different connections - and often shows much lower results than the experience I get to other better connected places. I'm not convinced the new TBB tester is all that much cop.