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Standard User knight01
(regular) Mon 31-Aug-26 16:43:37
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Re: Full fibre (FTTP) availability


[re: Michael_Chare] [link to this post]
 
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My Openreach fibre cable runs round the side of my bungalow below the back door, goes through the soffit into the attic and ends at the ONT which is close to my router.

You might have a problem if the installer would have to drill a hole for the fibre cable more than 5 foot above ground level.


I may have to get something like this: https://shop.premitel.uk/product/fibre-termination-p...

My living room is on first floor and that's where I have the Fritzbox and available power sockets.

Standard User stephen_b
(newbie) Mon 31-Aug-26 18:36:05
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Re: Full fibre (FTTP) availability


[re: David_W2] [link to this post]
 
I am in a similar position to you, and in the unlikely event that 1600 Mb/s became available here via Zen I can't see any advantage for my purposes - I don't really need 900, and only have it to get the 100Mb/s upload which I do use.

I would happily trade 900/100 for 500/500, but we are in a fairly rural area and only got FTTP thanks to the voucher scheme. I doubt if we are a priority area for any other providers who might do a symmetric connection, so I'll just be grateful for what we have and hope that BT embraces symmetric connections one day.
Standard User David_W2
(learned) Tue 01-Sep-26 10:21:49
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Re: Full fibre (FTTP) availability


[re: Taras] [link to this post]
 
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the combo pon olts may have been installed for a few years now, we don't know, some or bods are saying its sparse. The facts on the ground may never be known. We know the current 10gb cablelinks are a bottleneck for xgs-pon.

Indeed; it is only a possibility that our recently installed PON is already on a Combo-PON card. The true extent of Openreach's XGS-PON preparedness in its network is commercially confidential.

In reply to a post by Taras:
They do make alot of money from the their ethernet products, mostly from the sla. Xmas day its broken - we will fix in in 2/4/8 hours (depending on sla)

The struggle for OR is that moving away from dedicated lines to pure sla addons will be a semi painful crossover but in my view needs to be done.

Very few companies need p2p full fibre and i suspect full new installs are very few.

Like you, I suspect Openreach will move to deploying Ethernet circuits wherever possible using dedicated bandwidth on its FTTP PON network at the contracted contention ratio with a suitable SLA. Having XGS-PON available will help this transition significantly. All Openreach promises are the circuit presentation at the Openreach NTE, together with the contention ratio and SLA, not that any particular technology is used on the Openreach side.

I also agree that future installs of dedicated duplex fibre will be low and limited to the highest-bandwidth or highest-SLA circuits (especially those mandating diverse routing).


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Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Sep-26 12:05:32
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Re: Full fibre (FTTP) availability


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“EAD 2.0” so called is promising major changes in customer NTE, so remains to be seen exactly what that will look like. There is already sharing of fibre infrastructure in parts of the network between Ethernet products and FTTP.
Standard User David_W2
(learned) Tue 01-Sep-26 13:09:33
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Re: Full fibre (FTTP) availability


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The publicly available information on EAD 2.0 is rather limited at present. Some who work for CPs and Openreach undoubtedly know more than I do.

EAD 2.0 seems largely an incremental set of changes: using spare fibres in fibre spines laid as part of the FTTP rollout to provide as much of a dedicated circuit as possible (i.e. going as far from the OHP towards the customer as you can by using spare capacity in an existing fibre spine to limit excess construction costs), and allowing multiple EAD 2.0 circuits to be presented on a single Cablelink to the CP at the OHP. The NTE situation is curious, as they seem to be moving to a passive optical demarcation at the customer end. Is it possible that Openreach will simply provide 10GBase-LR or 10GBase-ER at the customer end and leave the customer to provide their own optics in a suitable host?

It seems fairly clear that EAD 2.0 is currently a refresh of EAD and still uses dedicated fibre. However, once XGS-PON is available, it would be relatively simple for Openreach to offer EAD 2.0 over PON, especially for the lower bandwidth and non-diverse routed circuits: dedicate part of the PON bandwidth at the appropriate contention ratio to the EAD circuit, and present that circuit on a Cablelink in the same way as if it were EAD 2.0.

It will be interesting to see how things develop.
Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Sep-26 13:30:54
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Re: Full fibre (FTTP) availability


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In reply to a post by David_W2:
EAD 2.0 seems largely an incremental set of changes: using spare fibres in fibre spines laid as part of the FTTP rollout to provide as much of a dedicated circuit as possible (i.e. going as far from the OHP towards the customer as you can by using spare capacity in an existing fibre spine to limit excess construction costs)

They’ve been doing that for a while - had an EAD installed rurally about 3.5 years ago and they used existing fibre installed for ‘FTTP’ (actually it was for our own FTTPoD from 2018/19) right up to the splitter node. So I guess FoD we paid for ended up helping with ECCs for EAD there..
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