In reply to a post by AnotherExPipex:

But I've still got reservations about over-protective OS's/apps.

I'm not sure that I would classify Windows' default behaviour of warning you before closing an application to be "over-protective"!

That would be identical to Apple's then...

Then I don't understand the different options. What's wrong with a close button and, if the application hangs, the option to force quit? No need for a separate "Force Quit" (IMO) if it just duplicates the functionality of "Quit".

If so then he was right and they were wrong. Activity Monitor is the place for such an option.

Here's an idea - try looking at it in action. Then you wouldn't look quite so much like you are using pedantry as a substitute for reason.

Force Quit is not Activity Monitor. Not is it a task manager. It is a quick and convenient place to kill hung Firefox applications. It has no wider use and gives proper warnings about lost data.

It is for when Firefox the application won't respond to cmd-Q. And you are quite right - it is a UI implementation of a keystroke (and actually a little safer since with keystrokes it is easy to use them with the wrong application in focus, while the menu lists running applications and notes if they are not responding). Different ways of doing things for different preferences. Whoda thunk it.

Apple > Force Quit... > [select the application you want to kill] > Force Quit > [Do you want to force xxx to quit? You will lose any unsaved changes.] > Force Quit

Hard to do by mistake.

Here's an idea - try looking at it in action.

Here's an idea. I have. Don't be so pompous.

Well, I still prefer the Windows approach of try to close the task gracefully and if that doesn't happen offer the option of "Force Quit". I really don't know, in any OS, that an application is irretrievably hung until I try to close it. And once I've found out that I can't close it because it's hung, then let the computer do the work - that's what they're there for.

Different strokes for different folks - nothing to start a religious war about!

In reply to a post by AnotherExPipex:

Here's an idea - try looking at it in action.

Here's an idea. I have. Don't be so pompous.

Your petard, I believe

I can't remember the last time I dragged a cursor up to the menu bar to find 'quit', it's COMMAND-Q all the way. It may be because my left hand rests on the keyboard constantly likely due to the way I use a computer for work.

In reply to a post by macduffintosh72:

it's COMMAND-Q all the way.

That would be an easy keystroke combination for me too... might be worth seeing if I can get into the habit

Still easier to use "Quit" from the dock if the app has got itself hidden behind another window though.