do Plusnet block P2P on FTTC..?

My friend is toying with FTTC with Talk Talk or Plusnet, we know that TT block P2P during peak hours but there are ways to partialy circumvent that, do plusnet block P2P and if so can it be bypassed with encryption and changing ports to 21 or 443..?

thanks

It's not blocked on our network. It also has no rate limits if you go for Unlimited so will run as fast as the line and the seeds allow.

Hi Chris...

thanks for your reply...

you mention on 'your network' it doesnt, so do plusnet employ partial P2P blocks like Virgin Cable... I.E. if Network Load becomes high in a given area then P2P blocks kick in until it stops?

I read that Plusnet do use P2P blocks but if i recall the thread was something 5 years old or summit, things change!

my friends exchange is only connected to about 4000 premises so not a real 'busy' exchange...

thanks again

In reply to a post by paulb100:

you mention on 'your network' it doesnt, so do plusnet employ partial P2P blocks like Virgin Cable... I.E. if Network Load becomes high in a given area then P2P blocks kick in until it stops?

In reply to a post by chrisparr:

It's not blocked on our network. It also has no rate limits if you go for Unlimited so will run as fast as the line and the seeds allow.

Edited by ferretuk (Mon 28-Jan-13 14:46:01)

In reply to a post by ferretuk:

In reply to a post by paulb100:

you mention on 'your network' it doesnt, so do plusnet employ partial P2P blocks like Virgin Cable... I.E. if Network Load becomes high in a given area then P2P blocks kick in until it stops?

In reply to a post by chrisparr:

It's not blocked on our network. It also has no rate limits if you go for Unlimited so will run as fast as the line and the seeds allow.

I know thats what he said, but as he referred to the network he is on I wondered if they employ it in other 'areas' - Virgin Cable employ such tactics, one area can download bit-torrent as fast as possible and other areas can use it at all...

a lot of ISPs advertise as Unlimited but employ P2P blocks - two entirely different things

I think by "our network" plusnet mean their whole network. At no point do plusnet block P2P.

He was talking about the PN network generally

No blocking, no rate limits on P2P, Usenet etc

a lot of ISPs advertise as Unlimited but employ P2P blocks - two entirely different things

We don't block or rate limit P2P on our products/network if you choose the Unlimited service. If I'm misinterpreting your question please let me know.

In reply to a post by paulb100:

I read that Plusnet do use P2P blocks but if i recall the thread was something 5 years old or summit, things change!

Up till 19 December 2012 there were P2P restrictions on FTTC. Those used to be quite wide-spread across the 24 hours, but earlier in 2012 when the 250GB allowance package was introduced they only applied between 8pm and 10pm.

I think that step was just a sort of test for the truly unlimited product that replaced it on 19 December.

As has been said by several, including two reps, there is no speed limiting on anything if you are on the Unlimited package. A small amount on the 40GB allowance 40/10 package. More details on this page if you'd like it from the website rather than rep posts .

ok thanks for that - just wanting to be clear on it thats all.

another question, do Plusnet suffer any congestion at all.... like Sky are at the moment..lol.. lucky for me Im not affected being a sky user....yet!

its nice to know there is another truly unlimited service other than BE* and Sky... should things go south for me at Sky at least I can consider Plusnet.

oh and do I need to be WBC Enabled to get plusnet? or do plusnet use BT's network anyway?

thanks

do Plusnet suffer any congestion at all.... like Sky are at the moment.

There shouldn't be any problems providing an ISP increases the capacity on their network as the demand for bandwidth increases, which will happen if you promote a truly "Unlimited" product.

Time will tell what happens in the months and years to come, things happen and then something has to change

In reply to a post by paulb100:

another question, do Plusnet suffer any congestion at all

Not at the moment, and Kelly and his team keep a daily watch on loadings and trends so as to increase capacity as needed. A large amount was added in preparation for the new products launch.

oh and do I need to be WBC Enabled to get plusnet? or do plusnet use BT's network anyway?

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That's a bit of a tricky question, but I'll try to answer it.

Plusnet use BT Wholesale's network, like all ISPs except the LLU ones and LLU resellers. They can therefore provide broadband of some sort, all flavours barring FTTP at the moment. Don't confuse BT Wholesale's network with BT Retail's! Very different kettles of fish.

Only ADSL2 and ADSL2+ rely on WBC at your exchange. If your exchange is not WBC enabled and you want either of those then LLU is your only option.

FTTC is a bit odd, and confusing at first. It does rely on WBC for BT Wholesale circuits, but Openreach do not provide FTTC to the exchange building if it doesn't house BT Wholesale WBC kit. (So far as I know).

However a large number of "FTTC-enabled" exchanges are not WBC-enabled. Their FTTC is provided from "headend" exchanges which are. So at the cabinet level the PCP (phone cabinet) stays connected to its existing parent, but its FTTC partner has a fibre feed from the headend exchange.

I believe that in some cases, even exchanges that are FTTC and WBC-enabled do not have their own FTTC service, the same arrangement as above being put in place instead. Paving the way for future exchange closures I expect.

Thanks RobertoS I never knew that, I was just saying to my friend that I thought the exchange needed WBC to have FTTC, as his exchange has had FTTC for a while before getting WBC, that explains why.... I wonder if this paves the way for congestion problems if 1 major exchange is feeding several others? rather than them have their own feed?

my exchange (NEBL) has WBC but no plans for FTTC yet - that would mean I could get ADSL2+ with PlusNet... I wouldnt entertain an IP-stream product as a lot of them are poor, but I suppose that depends if the ISP is up to paying BT to expand the bandwidth on their part of the network... as you can get the likes of Sky Connect, Virgin ADSL and even BT on standard ADSL which are well known to be really slow at peak-times -yet you can get the likes of NewNet, Fast, IDnet etc on the same system that are never slow at peak-times...yet charge more and have usage limits, its said the extra charges go towards expanding bandwidth and thats why they are always fast? - I wonder what Plusnet are like on such a service being very cheap (where theres no WBC which is said to improve things aswell as up speeds to 24Mbps)?

thanks again

Edited by paulb100 (Mon 28-Jan-13 20:38:15)

In reply to a post by chrisparr:

It's not blocked on our network. It also has no rate limits if you go for Unlimited so will run as fast as the line and the seeds allow.

Based on this I just ordered Fibre unlimited , was gonna wait for sky, but reading your post I've ordered. I'm willing to go pro too if need be.

In reply to a post by snoz:

Based on this I just ordered Fibre unlimited , was gonna wait for sky, but reading your post I've ordered. I'm willing to go pro too if need be.

Theres a post on here somewhere saying they have disabled pro option, maybe out of luck.

Not disabled. It's still available through Add Ons, but we don't recommend using it.

In reply to a post by KellyD:

Not disabled. It's still available through Add Ons, but we don't recommend using it.

Why don't you recommend using it ?

In short, it shouldn't really be needed on Unlimited as there aren't any rate limits for it to remove.

Ok thanks.

Its nice to see another isp apart from sky offering a truly unlimited service, seeing as sky has not updated their LLU equipment on my exchange to offer fibre I thought I'd be waiting for month's and also was abit worried about their service from reading their offical forums although when sky bought easynet and i was still on ukonline it was still superb.

I've had unlimited adsl 2 + for 6 years (UKONLINE then BE there ) and really did not fancy moving back to some capped traffic shaped product even if it was 4x faster download and 10x faster upload.

Look forward to getting connected.

In reply to a post by snoz:

Ok thanks.

Its nice to see another isp apart from sky offering a truly unlimited service, seeing as sky has not updated their LLU equipment on my exchange to offer fibre I thought I'd be waiting for month's and also was abit worried about their service from reading their offical forums although when sky bought easynet and i was still on ukonline it was still superb.

I've had unlimited adsl 2 + for 6 years (UKONLINE then BE there ) and really did not fancy moving back to some capped traffic shaped product even if it was 4x faster download and 10x faster upload.

Look forward to getting connected.

let me know how you get on

Sky are falling well behind...very slow at upgrading exchanges, they are not what they used to be like, I (regretfully) moved from o2/BE where I had solid 18Mb connection, 27ms pings for 3 years to sky where I had nothing but problems with phone, broadband AND billing...if it wasnt for my knowledge of xDSL and persistance I would have never gotten my broadband fixed (put my signal across a Split Pair when moving us from WLR3 to SVBN) took 3 months, 7 engineer visits and 100's of calls and emails to sky - I even had to chase them for compensation once it was fixed ...never heard from again..so I emailed the CEO's dept (again) and told them I wasnt happy and how stressfull it was.. they gave us line rental at £1 a month for 12 months... so circa £160... it was well earned believe me! - then we had £10 over-charge when adding movies AND incorrect bill in a letter...makes you wonder if they do it too everyone and most people arent aware or cant be bothered to complain and sort it so just pay the bill

rant over! lol

good luck

In reply to a post by paulb100:

Sky are falling well behind...very slow at upgrading exchanges, they are not what they used to be like, I (regretfully) moved from o2/BE where I had solid 18Mb connection, 27ms pings for 3 years to sky where I had nothing but problems with phone

I made a switch in the same direction, O2 to Sky. I have to say I can't really fault either service. Luckily my area has never been hit with capacity issues with Sky, although I did have exchange capacity issues on O2 at one point, which were resolved fairly swiftly.

New hare. I switched from Sky - former O2 customer - and I use p2p to transfer results of my work to clients - I'm a webdesigner - this way is much faster than my almost 1Mb/s upload speed. I'm working on a projects during the day and to minimise congestion, upload the results during the night. Last 2 days I did run my client, as I always do, before going to bead at about 11:40-12:10pm and soon after that all the connectivity in my house was down. I regain internet connection only after i reset my router. Do I have grounds to call customer service at Plusnet and complain?

In reply to a post by binks:

Do I have grounds to call customer service at Plusnet and complain?

I'm wondering which router you are using?

It sounds as the router can't cope with the number of connections in its NAT table, something that used to be common with gaming as well.

As above, I had the same problem with FTTC and the Technicolor router, it just couldn't handle the connections / amount of data

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by binks:

Do I have grounds to call customer service at Plusnet and complain?

I'm wondering which router you are using?

It sounds as the router can't cope with the number of connections in its NAT table, something that used to be common with gaming as well.

It is technicolor but the funny thing is that it worked just a few days ago.

Edited by deleted (Mon 08-Sep-14 17:14:31)

Edited by deleted (Tue 09-Sep-14 11:15:33)

In reply to a post by chrisparr:

We don't block or rate limit P2P on our products/network if you choose the Unlimited service. If I'm misinterpreting your question please let me know.

Correct, as P2P are line speed when I download 3.5GB on FTTC 80/20. Transfer rate was 8.7Mb/s

Edited by adslmax (Tue 09-Sep-14 02:48:08)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Correct, as P2P are line speed when I download 3.5GB on FTTC 80/20. Transfer rate was 8.7Mb/s

I trust you mean 8.7MB/s