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Standard User napolibill
(regular) Fri 20-May-16 14:35:50
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I'm fading into Plusnet's sunset!


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I have decided to move from Plusnet to Uno on a FFTC and phone package basis. I started the migration by contacting Uno on 30 April and hope to get everything transferred on 13 June. I can�t get over the fact that Plusnet haven�t contacted me to try to get me to stay, or is that too far away yet? When I rang them this week to check that they had got the migration request they said that they had and didn�t take it any further. They just seemed to have rolled over and let me go. Not that I am complaining, just a little bit surprised that they don�t try to retain their customer base.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Fri 20-May-16 15:35:22
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They aren't allowed to under the new (no MAC) system.

They should have notified you that they are aware you are leaving, and told you of any liabilities to them you might incur such as cancellation charges or minimum term in force that would need paying off. Is there an email lying around anywhere, perhaps in a Plusnet mailbox you ignore?

You can however get in touch with the Customer Options Team (normally called Retentions) and ask if they can do a deal to keep you. Because you instigate the conversation they are allowed to make an offer or offers. It just must not start from their end. You just asking normal CS if they know you are going doesn't start such a discussion.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Standard User napolibill
(regular) Fri 20-May-16 20:09:15
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Many thanks Roberto, that clears things up. I'm quite happy moving so won't be initiating a retention war!!


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Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-16 10:08:32
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A retention deal might tempted you to staying with PN if you could try ask them to match SSE up to 76Mbps for £0 for 18 months just pay for line rental only at £16.99. Worth it to try.
Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-16 11:47:34
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A retention deal might tempted you to staying with PN if you could try ask them to match SSE up to 76Mbps for £0 for 18 months just pay for line rental only at £16.99. Worth it to try.

I had a look to see what SSE offered for bundled ADSL,you can get free weekend calls, no free BB it's £8.00 a month and line rental at £13.49 a month so a total of £21.49, the contract term is 18 months.

With a phone only package they quote their line rental (for me) as £16.00 a month.

Strange they bother to give their line rental different values, could be a marketing bod's idea I suppose.

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Standard User kasg
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-16 12:00:23
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You're looking at ADSL, OP is talking about FTTC, which is this one and is a much better deal.

Kevin

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Edited by kasg (Sat 21-May-16 12:02:22)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 21-May-16 12:40:27
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Pulse8 do similar. Line only is £13pm. Line bundled with their broadband £6pm.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-16 14:03:57
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Yes indeed, just remarking to adslmax about the differing cost of line rental for the various packages SSE offer smile

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Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-16 14:14:46
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In reply to a post by napolibill:
I have decided to move from Plusnet to Uno on a FFTC and phone package basis. I started the migration by contacting Uno on 30 April and hope to get everything transferred on 13 June. I can�t get over the fact that Plusnet haven�t contacted me to try to get me to stay, or is that too far away yet? When I rang them this week to check that they had got the migration request they said that they had and didn�t take it any further. They just seemed to have rolled over and let me go. Not that I am complaining, just a little bit surprised that they don�t try to retain their customer base.


I'd say that not being "offered" to stay with this shower is preferable smile
Standard User kasg
(knowledge is power) Sat 21-May-16 16:51:46
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I'd say that not being "offered" to stay with this shower is preferable smile

Shower to you, perfectly good, stable, reliable and cheap ISP to me.

Kevin

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Standard User 69bertie
(regular) Sat 21-May-16 20:30:25
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Couldn't agree more. Sometimes, some people can't smell the coffee. I too am more than happy with Plusnet's performance of late on my line for the money I pay. I doubt if moving to any other ISP would improve anything at all. So why pay more?

Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 21-May-16 21:19:06
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Shower to you, perfectly good, stable, reliable and cheap ISP to me.


Cheap it may be and yes it is reliable in that it have not gone down and you could add stable in that as the service still works. But it is the speeds that are the problem, they are not consistent and my upload speed have never been great since I been with Plusnet.
Saying all of that I doubt it would be any difference with any of the larger providers.

TBH, broadband in this country compared to others is still pathetic and having to pay a line rental makes it flipping expensive.

Adrian

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Plusnet FTTC
Standard User Andrue
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 21-May-16 22:37:07
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Cheap it may be and yes it is reliable in that it have not gone down and you could add stable in that as the service still works. But it is the speeds that are the problem, they are not consistent and my upload speed have never been great since I been with Plusnet.
Sounds like an exchange issue or something closer to home.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/14623...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/14638...

Those are what I get most of the time. The worst I've seen recently is:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/14636...

Pretty much every test whenever I run it comes out the same as the first two.Now their customer service..hmm. I've not had cause to use it myself but the forums seem a lot quieter than they were.

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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 23-May-16 10:16:01
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I will never get those speeds anyway, I live too far away from the cabinet, but whern I first went with Plusnet I was getting around 36Mb/s, here is the graph. It then been dropping,this is the test I done this morning.

When I first came onto FTTC and plusnet, there was a problem with the cabinet,, they changed the cover and somehow or other have knocked some cables and after I phoned Plusnet and BT sorted it, but after that my speed have never been the same, it did get better, but never back to how it was.

Sadly the company I was thinking of going back with after my plusnet contract is done have stopped doing broadband, so it seems like if I want broadband I have to stay on this silly BT network that still runs partly on old copper wires that are falling apart.

Adrian

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Plusnet FTTC
Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Mon 23-May-16 18:51:35
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Sadly the company I was thinking of going back with after my plusnet contract is done have stopped doing broadband

Was that with the company offering Wireless BB?

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Standard User The_Voyager
(committed) Tue 24-May-16 08:47:41
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Sadly the company I was thinking of going back with after my plusnet contract is done have stopped doing broadband, so it seems like if I want broadband I have to stay on this silly BT network that still runs partly on old copper wires that are falling apart.


Trouble is it is not only the copper infrastructure that is falling apart, it the the competency of the BTOR engineers, I have been cut off twice in the past 2 months, both times in the small chamber outside the block of maisonettes where I live, the last time I actually spoke to the engineer who had cut me off whilst he still had the chamber open and all the wires exposed (inside a thick black round tube). Told him he had cut me off and of course he totally denied it and I was off line for 8 days. Now that I am back online my connection is well degraded instead of 78/20 connection I'm now getting 52/17, so obviously they have given me a bad pair - BUT because my phone line is 100% they won't do anything about it.

No Virgin or other cable around here so I'm stuck with BTOR infrastructure - don't know when/if we will ever get FTTP/FTTH, probably after I kick the bucket.

What we need is more choice so that BTOR have to get their act together.

Bob WRBRIX
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Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 24-May-16 18:08:01
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Sadly the company I was thinking of going back with after my plusnet contract is done have stopped doing broadband

Was that with the company offering Wireless BB?


Yep, I was waiting for them to sort some things out and then go back, but now that Bloated toad have put FTTC in some of the villages, people have gone for that, which I do not blame them to be honest, cheaper and faster,.

the problem is Bloated toad is still missing out some people so there will still be people who will not be able to get a decent broadband connection.

Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 8.1 pro 64bit, no dreaded metro, laptop by Linux

Plusnet FTTC
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 24-May-16 18:11:47
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Trouble is it is not only the copper infrastructure that is falling apart, it the the competency of the BTOR engineers, I have been cut off twice in the past 2 months, both times in the small chamber outside the block of maisonettes where I live, the last time I actually spoke to the engineer who had cut me off whilst he still had the chamber open and all the wires exposed (inside a thick black round tube). Told him he had cut me off and of course he totally denied it and I was off line for 8 days. Now that I am back online my connection is well degraded instead of 78/20 connection I'm now getting 52/17, so obviously they have given me a bad pair - BUT because my phone line is 100% they won't do anything about it.

No Virgin or other cable around here so I'm stuck with BTOR infrastructure - don't know when/if we will ever get FTTP/FTTH, probably after I kick the bucket.

What we need is more choice so that BTOR have to get their act together.
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Same here, only BTOR rubbish available, which is a shame and all these providers still rip us off which a sky high line rental and Plusnet even stopped the free calls now, not that I ever used them, so people are getting ripped of even more. Have to pay a extra £3 to get evenings and weekends.
The problem is people in this country just accepts it.


Adrian

Desktop machine now powered by windows 8.1 pro 64bit, no dreaded metro, laptop by Linux

Plusnet FTTC
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 24-May-16 18:47:33
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Take your line away from Plusnet. Pulse8 at £13pm, tiny call charges. £1pm for caller display if you want it.

Easily save money even allowing for the £2.50 PN broadband increase.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 59240/14753kbps @ 600m. - BQM
Standard User zyborg47
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 25-May-16 10:58:49
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Take your line away from Plusnet. Pulse8 at £13pm, tiny call charges. £1pm for caller display if you want it.

Easily save money even allowing for the £2.50 PN broadband increase.


I was going to do something like that when I was changing providers and first went to plusnet, but I could not be bothered with the hassle at the time as i did not even have a phone line connected then. I don't use it and I have never given the number out to anyone,k it don't even have a phone connected to it.
For home use I still got my VoIP with sipgate that I used when I was with allpay, because everyone knows that number,k for the few who calls me on it, which is normally my Doctor and the hospital and my Dad. I put a tenner on that last year and still got £9,.

i may think about separating the line and broadband, but to be honest I am not sure if I want to stay with Plusnet, but then I am not sure who I would want to go to.
Going for one of the smaller providers is out of the question as they are pretty expensive and the other large providers I am not sure if I want to use them either.
Not interest in going directly with Bt, ok I know plusnet is owned by BT.
EE is a waste of space, by from what I have seen, yes i know that have been taken over by BT.
Sky, I do dot like the forced use of their router.
Vodafone , not sure if I am staying with them for their phone service after the contract ended, never mind wanting to use them for broadband, also the same as Sky, only able to use their router.
Talk Talk I will not touch with a bargepole.

Don't really give me a lot of choice left do it? smile

Adrian

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Standard User IanBB
(committed) Wed 25-May-16 11:53:05
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You can use your own router with Sky on their ADSL products. It is only FTTC where the t&c's state that you must use their router.
Standard User professor973
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 25-May-16 12:53:23
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Just put another tenner on my Sipgate local number. Works a treat with Phonerlite.
Standard User mrnelster
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 29-May-16 13:25:54
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Couldn't agree more. Sometimes, some people can't smell the coffee. I too am more than happy with Plusnet's performance of late on my line for the money I pay. I doubt if moving to any other ISP would improve anything at all. So why pay more?
And sometimes, some people can only smell coffee.

I have two Plusnet accounts, one at home and one for my elderly parents 25 miles away. When I set it up Plusnet advised me to do it all in my name, so as to make dealing with technical issues easier. I have taught my 80 year old mum to use email and facetime and she's rightly very proud of herself. She had never touched a computer in her life until her 80th birthday when I forced her to Skype my eldest bother in Canada. She's never looked back since and is now a serial face time menace. I've created a monster!

Anyway, the point being she now feels isolated without it. and she has been without internet since mid April. OR fitted an FTTC enclosure down the road and things have never been right since. First, I disconnected all of the internal wiring leaving only the main (non BT) master socket. I'm no amateur at this. Data cabling forms part of my business offering.

Other than failing to sync for more than five minutes at a time, the other issue was noise on the phone line. I had a spare Plusnet router and proceeded to test the equipment. I'm a little OCD when it comes to fault finding, through years of experience. So with two routers, two power supplies, their two telephones and 4 filters I tried every imaginable combination and the result was definitive. When you try to connect broadband to the line, the [substanial at times] noise returned.

So I called up Plusnet and got straight through to one of the reasons I originally swapped everything to them from BT. He couldn't have been more helpful or have shown more immediate insight. With all that has followed, I only wish I had noted his name to commend him accordingly.

He listened to me explain to him what I had done, it only took thirty seconds. He didn't try to force me to go through the faceplate test with him; he was listening, not scripting. His immediate guess was that it sounded like there was a filtering problem at the "other end". I didn't ask if he meant the exchange or the new cabinet. On the opposite side of the road from my parents house, there is a pole with approximately 20 metres of cable hanging in a loop. It's been hanging there for a few years. Our feed is from the next pole down, although I thought it worth mentioning for elimination purposes anyway. I've been advised by OR engineers over the years of the "aerial" effect of unwanted parallel cabling; besides any possible truth in that (talk is cheap if you don't have the experience to corroborate it) I suspected water ingress over time on a taped up end, might well have an impact.

Anyway, I was completely shocked when he said "I'm looking at it now on Google Earth and don't think it would have an impact at all, but I can give you BTOR's number if you'd like to report it just in case?"

Proactive, intelligent approach. Brilliant. He arranged an engineers visit. They came out, changed the faceplate to an integrally filtered version, tested and left. From then on in, it's all been downhill.

The report came through on the ticket in the members portal, that there was no fault found but that sync still needed to be investigated. I received another text message to supply three available dates, so I did. Later the next week, an hour before the expiry of the final date supplied, I received a text message that read "Apologies for not getting back to you sooner, I have been out of the office. Please supply another three convenient dates." So I rang and explained [politely] how I found that to be both infuriating and ridiculous. The advisor apologised and continued to explain that what we needed was to organise a "specialist engineer" and told me that he would send me an appointment text again. It came through an hour or so later and I replied accordingly. But then I got a reply telling me that an engineer had been arranged for "Date:" He had forgotten to type in the specific date out of the three supplied, that they had chosen. I had imagined from the beginning that this was a fully automated process, but seeing the apology text earlier, I thought I'd reply; "Which date?" I never received a text in response.

So anyway, due to that uncertainty, one of my brothers rang the following day as he was off work and asked to confirm the engineers appointment. It hadn't been booked. He asked could he book one now and they refused citing the need for account holder authorisation. Now, the original guy I spoke to had put both of my brothers names and telephone numbers down on file, so as to let them deal with faults if I wasn't to hand. Excellent idea. It transpires that they are not allowed to do anything financially with the account, only talk about faults. Fine, I didn't realise that at the time, but do understand. But incredulously, because there is the possibility of an OR visit attracting a recharge, they cannot authorise a visit. So to be clear, "You need an an engineer for the fault you have helped us to diagnose sir, but you will need the account holder to ring back and ask for it." Can you ring him for authorisation? "No, he has to call us."

In the meantime, the appointment formerly known as "Date:" went through. The engineer turned up out of the blue (fortunately there was somebody at home) and proclaimed there were no faults, but he would check down at the cabinet on his way to the next call. They asked him if he could check if the router was syncing and he refused.

So that night I ring Plusnet again and tell them that I'm unhappy. The guy tells me there is no such thing as a "specialist engineer". I told him I'd suspected as much when it was first touted, but wasn't about to tell them their job. I'd simply assumed they would have sent an engineer with a little more nouse when it comes to broadband; I know they exist at least, even if they're graded no differently. Anyway, he told me he would elevate it to the faults team and get somebody to ring me, as this (in his own words) was getting ridiculous. I couldn't speak to them now because they only work 9-5 ish or something similar.

I'd heard nothing and not received a text the next day, so I thought I'd get home early and ring them before they left. I was greeted by an advisor that was better at sounding helpful, than he was at actually listening. I explained to him that I was expecting a date or a call to get another engineer booked. He told me the delay was due to my being unhappy and asking for an elevation of the fault, and that there is a 72 hour lead time for faults team enquiries. I told him that's wasn't acceptable as I'd already had numerous engineers visits at Plusnets own request, and that this was an ongoing fault. He replied in no uncertain terms that there are procedures and a responsibility to all of their other customers as well.

I let that one slide, and told him that I'd come home early to catch the faults team before they left for the day, but I now needed to go and collect my children from the childminders and could somebody call me back later. But they aren't allowed to call you back. I explained my disbelief that the company that supplies my telephone service are not allowed to use it to contact me directly, and that I was not prepared to wait for yet another 20 minutes on the phone later that evening; somebody needed to take ownership of this debacle.

"You've already been on the phone for 10 minutes. You could have picked your kids up by now if you'd have let me talk to faults for you in the first place, to see if I could make an exception for you."

I don't want an exception.

I don't feel I was asking for special treatment.

I shouldn't have to explain customer services 101 - never blame the customer.

I did receive a text a day or so later. It said there were no available appointments until the 31st May. So if you happen to get a jobs worth, and he doesn't like being blinded by reason, you go to the back of the queue. I haven't been in touch since and will try again on Tuesday. But if I have the brass neck to dare to be too busy to hang on the phone for repeated 20 minute intervals during working hours, I shouldn't expect to get what I'm paying for.

Oopt north, maybe that is what they call good old fashioned service, but somehow I doubt it.
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