Goodbye Plusnet

Within next 12-17 hours to go will be no longer with Plusnet FTTC with line only since 2014. Very sad to leave but got the right decision and time to move on with new ISP tomorrow - look forward to G.fast 160/30.

Got SMS text from engineer to say site visit to install broadband and phone line tomorrow between 8am and 1pm.

Wish me best of luck

You may need luck, G.fast can be a bit iffy, you need to be pretty close to the cabinet and even then it can be hit and miss.

Why are you sad to leave plusnet? They belong to a massive company, I am sure they will survive. When/if i leave plusnet I will not be sad, I was a bit sad to leave Allpay wireless broadband when I left them as they were a local company.

G.fast pod are very close to my house approx 180m from the cab should be fine!

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

You may need luck, G.fast can be a bit iffy, you need to be pretty close to the cabinet and even then it can be hit and miss.

I have not noticed reports of GFast being iffy or hit and miss from users on the forum.

How do you know it is 180m from cabinet as you are not connected.

In reply to a post by MHC:

How do you know it is 180m from cabinet as you are not connected.

cos my next door neighbour told me they got G.fast nearly 290/48 on their line. As engineer told them their line is 180m from the cab.

Edited by adslmax (Mon 24-May-21 21:28:17)

Just because they are connected to that cabinet does not mean you will be.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just because they are connected to that cabinet does not mean you will be.

Their connection to the cabinet are the same cab as mine. So I should be easy getting 160/30 no problem. I just know it. I only walk a minute away from my G.fast pod.

BTw estimated my line for G.fast are

G.fast Range A (Clean) 282.9 203.6 44.1 21.3 179.8 Amber Amber
G.fast Range B (Impacted) 237.6 173.8 31.1 15.4 157.8 Amber Amber

Edited by adslmax (Mon 24-May-21 21:33:26)

You do not know which cabinet you will be connected to ... so another of your fairy stories.


But then you already have a line, or do you? You are having it installed tomorrow, or are you?

Look I am not argue here. Next door and mine are connected to Cabinet 8 G.fast.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Look I am not argue here. Next door and mine are connected to Cabinet 8 G.fast.

PROOF.

You say you are connected, and earlier you said they are connecting you tomorrow. Which fairy story do you want people to believe.

I am connected to Cabinet 8 for FTTC 80/20 tomorrow will change over to G.fast 160/30 at the same cabinet 8.

So, if you are connected why are they installing a line tomorrow ... You just keep spouting rubbish and fairy stories.

They are transfer the telephone number over to new isp for g fast service as the new isp told me need engineer to install gfast from fttc with Openreach modem

In reply to a post by adslmax:

They are transfer the telephone number over to new isp for g fast service as the new isp told me need engineer to install gfast from fttc with Openreach modem

And don't forget to install the phone line - they come with extra fairy dust.

Whatever. I don't care what you say

Why would you be sad to move from one utility provider to another? Who cares, it’s a utility by definition. A utility has (or at least should have) no bearing on ones life.

Companies are not people, in fact your love for Plusnet over the years has always perplexed me as you do know who provides their technical support….. go on, guess as it’s a company I’m sure you’ve slagged off before. I’ll give you a clue, it’s not Serco but does end in apita.

To be fair PN always good to me over the last 9 years. Great support help from few PN staffs. PN network for FTTC are pretty good one. I think I only had one line banded by DLM in the last 7 years.

In reply to a post by MHC:

You do not know which cabinet you will be connected to ... so another of your fairy stories.


But then you already have a line, or do you? You are having it installed tomorrow, or are you?

I'm sorry to say this but he did say he checked BT wholesale which does state which cab you are connected to please refer to the image attached. Image 1 Wholesale
Pointed out wholesale

If I misunderstood apologies but I think this was what the other gentleman was trying to say.

Yes that my cabinet 8
https://i.ibb.co/7X8btFm/Untitled.jpg

I don't understand why the new ISP wants a new line installing though. G.Fast normally simply replaces the FTTC on the existing copper, and should just need the new modem installing and the router connected to that.

Just like early FTTC with the HG612 or ECI one. I'm sure you've done that in the past.

You shouldn't need an engineer either.

I think you will find ceasing the current line will result in a Cease fee from Plusnet. Unless they don't pass it on.

But, having said that, good luck.

It say on Btw checker:

There are multiple orders open on your line which are due to complete by 25-May-2021
There is currently a Broadband cease pending or in progress against this line. This cease is due to complete by 25th May 2021. This will not stop you ordering Broadband from a new supplier, but it will delay the provision of the new Broadband service.

It say on Plusnet email:

Phone number affected: 01952******

We're sorry to hear you're leaving us.

Another service provider has told us that you want to move your broadband and phone away from Plusnet.

Your broadband and phone service is scheduled to transfer automatically on 26th May 2021 and will result in the cancellation of your Plusnet account. This means that on this date, your services will be taken over by your new provider and you won't need to contact us to cancel your service with us.

The new ISP told me I need an engineer to attend to transfer my phone line over to them from plusnet and the engineer will switch over to gfast from fttc plusnet and will supplier Openreach Gfast modem and Gfast socket

Edited by adslmax (Tue 25-May-21 01:04:54)

All migrations result, in the Openreach system, in a Cease of the current broadband service and a Provide of the new one. WHich normally happen within a couple of minutes or so of each other.

That doesn't result in an Openreach cease charge, though in the past Plusnet have been known to charge it and been forced to refund.

However you say your new ISP says you must have a new line. That would result in a valid cease charge, as you would not be migrating the broadband. ArRe you sure that's what they said, and are you sure an engineer will visit? There will have to be one goes to the cabinet of course.

What about the G.Fast modem? AIUI these are still required.

I hope the engineer does turn up ..... And we don't have you posting that it just didn't happen. My opinion is that your new ISP is a one-man band, not even a man and a dog. Like Jason was for a long time at UKFSN. Amazingly, his website is still up! Copyright 2002-2012. With the old Entanet packages listed. And:

If you already have broadband with another supplier you can switch to us. The process is very easy - all you do is obtain a MAC from your existing supplier and place an order on our website. We handle the rest for you

MACs required eh? !!

Please don't stressed me out, I start to worry now!

My FTTC still active at the moment and I check dial tone on my phone line still active!

I just logged into control panel on my new ISP.


Broadband Username:
****************@unchainedisp.net
Backhaul Carrier:
TalkTalk Business G.fast 160/30
Phone Number:
01952******

both still pending for 25th May 2021 as the phone number is correct same as my current plusnet phone line

Edited by adslmax (Tue 25-May-21 01:28:06)

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

I have not noticed reports of GFast being iffy or hit and miss from users on the forum.

Maybe not on here, but this is not the only site on the net. Also been told by people in the past that knows other people that have had some problems with g.fast, yes I know it is like someone telling someone else at the pub, but I can only go by what I have been told. But most info i have is from the net. If you are really close to the cabinet then it is fine, but the further away you are the loss of speed is worse than normal FTTC.
I think the max distance is 300meters.

We will see.

In reply to a post by MHC:

How do you know it is 180m from cabinet as you are not connected.

Easy enough to find out, I know what cabinet I am connected at and even if we had G.fast or I changed provider that is not going to change as it would mean moving the cable from my house and I doubt that would happen. Not that I would pay the amount that providers want for G.fast.
I don't get this want for super-duper speed anyway unless you really need it.

Updated:

Got sms text that Openreach engineer will call me when they are on their way. They better not call me because I am hard of hearing unable to hear the engineer communication

When they call it will be from a mobile. So you can text to that number.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 25-May-21 10:36:42)

Engineer here as he test earth on the line all passed he going to the cabinet now be back in half an hour. He told me you should get 330/50 pretty spot on but he will check for me on his test kit when he get back from the gfast cabinet but he say the isp limit your line 160/30 for now

Max out of curiosity how much is G.Fast on TT Business?

49.99 per month for gfast 160/30 57.99 for gfast 330/50

Max is not getting a Talktalk Business Broadband service, it's from an ISP that no one has heard of - UnchainedISP who use TTB backhaul. He wanted a 12 month contract but seems to be paying a lot for it.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

49.99 per month for gfast 160/30 57.99 for gfast 330/50

That is a fair chunk of money per month, when I spend out for things I look at how many hours I have to work to get that, so I would have to work over 5 hours for that. I don't think I would pay that price just for a bit more speed to be honest.

I thought Zzoomm prices was slightly high for full fibre, but seeing the prices you are paying maybe not. £39 will give 400Mb/s download and 40 up, another tenner will give 400Mb/s upload.

If I go for Zzoomm it will be the 100Mb/s download, 10 upload for £29 a month. If Zzoom was not coming here, and we had G.fast, I would stick with what I have got, not that I would be able to get G.fast as I am over 400metres away from the cabinet, but if I could, I would not.

I hope it works out for you, and you think the cost is worth it, I know you are only paying half.

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

Max is not getting a Talktalk Business Broadband service, it's from an ISP that no one has heard of - UnchainedISP who use TTB backhaul. He wanted a 12 month contract but seems to be paying a lot for it.

There is nothing wrong with going for an ISP that no one have heard off, and to be honest I expect someone have heard of it otherwise they would not be around. Sometimes it pays to take the chance, I went with a local wireless ISP a few years ago, and it was fine for a while until they could not cope with the traffic.
They offered me 10Mb/s for the same price I was paying for barely 3 at the time, so it made sense to go for it. But I don't think they realised how many people would sign up to them and towards the end of my two years with them, they just could not cope, they did say they were going to update the system, but by that time FTTC had come here. But I say it was brave for the company to do it as they were and still are a payment processing company.

Sometimes you take your chances, you lose or win. The same with Zzoomm fibre that is coming here, I may take a chance with them, but things are different now for me as I have a pretty good speed that is fine for what I need it for, it comes down to what Plusnet can offer me price wise at the end of my contract.


you are right, the price Max is going to pay is pretty high

Engineer has left. Test kit showed length to the gfast cabinet from test socket is 159.88 M

gfast 160/30 https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/16219398586...

So you didn't need a new line installed .

Nice speed.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

So you didn't need a new line installed .

Nice speed.

Nope! Same line as Plusnet.

https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/ab463dc6-06a5-...

Nice one. congrats. Did openreach provide you with a separate modem as well?

In reply to a post by max360:

Nice one. congrats. Did openreach provide you with a separate modem as well?

Yep. But I didn't use it. I am using my own Gfast router (Zyxel XMG3927-B50A)

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

Max is not getting a Talktalk Business Broadband service, it's from an ISP that no one has heard of - UnchainedISP who use TTB backhaul. He wanted a 12 month contract but seems to be paying a lot for it.

The engineer showed me his mobile data from TalkTalk Business Ultrafast 160/30 so he limit my gfast at 160/30 with wholesale UnchainedISP.

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

... but seems to be paying a lot for it.

You probably haven't seen this post in "Which ISP?"

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

How much are you paying for it Max?

£49.99 per month on a 12 months contract (my daughter and I will pay half split)

My gfast router stats

============================================================================
xDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: G.fast Annex A
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 0 hour: 36 minutes
============================================================================
xDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 28.175 Mbps 160.251 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 28.037 Mbps 159.891 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 3.2 dB 4.4 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 4.0 dBm 0.0 dBm
Receive Power: 1.0 dBm 3.0 dBm
Actual INP: 540.0 symbols 550.0 symbols
Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.028 Mbps 186.263 Mbps
============================================================================

I can see Attainable Net Data Rate 186Meg down and 28Meg up. Good job I went for 160/30 happy overall. Don't need gfast 330/50 as I won't get it but strange engineer test kit say 158.99 M line length to the gfast cab from the socket. (I believe it won't be more than that because Attainable Net Data Rate would have been over 330/50).

Not complained at all.

Edited by adslmax (Tue 25-May-21 12:52:30)

I think engineer is wrong there. The line length didn't show it. It was actually 158.99 M data rate (that not line length lol)

https://i.ibb.co/c1PysTy/01.jpg

Probably better to start posting about it in a different forum . Now we know it's working fine.

Sig and Profile to update too. Maybe a live BQM link in your sig as well? G.Fast BQMs aren't seen much.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I think engineer is wrong there. The line length didn't show it. It was actually 158.99 M data rate (that not line length lol)

https://i.ibb.co/c1PysTy/01.jpg

Probably better to start posting about it in a different forum . Now we know it's working fine.

Sig and Profile to update too. Maybe a live BQM link in your sig as well? G.Fast BQMs aren't seen much.

Done updated my sig.

I don't think that knowing somebody that knows somebody else that might have said something is really credible evidence that Gfast is iffy or hit and miss.

Just done my sig BQM as I have to deleted the old one

But it was working. I checked earlier.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I don't understand why the new ISP wants a new line installing though. G.Fast normally simply replaces the FTTC on the existing copper, and should just need the new modem installing and the router connected to that.

I can't speak for this install, but we often install a new circuit for our customers, rather than deal with takeovers or other potential issues. It's not that big a deal if that's how it is done by this ISP.

Add "We" is ? Nobody we have seen here taking G.Fast has mentioned a new line install.

Presumably the engineer visit in this case was for the reason described by the OP. Checking the line was in good enough condition before going ahead.

Engineer here as he test earth on the line all passed he going to the cabinet now be back in half an hour. He told me you should get 330/50 pretty spot on but he will check for me on his test kit when he get back from the gfast cabinet

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Add "We" is ? Nobody we have seen here taking G.Fast has mentioned a new line install.

Presumably the engineer visit in this case was for the reason described by the OP. Checking the line was in good enough condition before going ahead.

Engineer here as he test earth on the line all passed he going to the cabinet now be back in half an hour. He told me you should get 330/50 pretty spot on but he will check for me on his test kit when he get back from the gfast cabinet

As I said, I can't comment on what was or was not done on *this* install.

But there is no reason why an ISP has to take over a circuit, and not do a new provide in principle, so I don't quite understand why that concept was so bothersome to you. Indeed with SOGFAST and SOGEA it might be preferential to install a new circuit now.

In reply to a post by therioman:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Add "We" is ? Nobody we have seen here taking G.Fast has mentioned a new line install.

Presumably the engineer visit in this case was for the reason described by the OP. Checking the line was in good enough condition before going ahead.

Engineer here as he test earth on the line all passed he going to the cabinet now be back in half an hour. He told me you should get 330/50 pretty spot on but he will check for me on his test kit when he get back from the gfast cabinet

As I said, I can't comment on what was or was not done on *this* install.

But there is no reason why an ISP has to take over a circuit, and not do a new provide in principle, so I don't quite understand why that concept was so bothersome to you. Indeed with SOGFAST and SOGEA it might be preferential to install a new circuit now.

There is one quite big reason that ISPs tend to take over lines rather than install new ones and that is cost.
The wholesale cost for a migration can be lower than 10% of the cost of a new install.

Thanks
Dan

I had an engineer visit in March when I migrated G.Fast > G.Fast. Engineer brought a new MT992, ran all the line checks and confirmed everything was fine and I was happy, I've been on G.Fast since March 2018 so he was a bit surprised that he had been sent - I got a nice new modem to replace my old one which was a bonus

It's not a big surprise that Max had one for a new install....

In reply to a post by danielhyde:

There is one quite big reason that ISPs tend to take over lines rather than install new ones and that is cost.
The wholesale cost for a migration can be lower than 10% of the cost of a new install.

I'm fully aware of the costs. That is not the point I was making. There seemed to be some assertion on what would be done. I think from this thread in this case there was no new circuit in any case.

The point I was making was simply that there is no reason you can't, and in some cases it might be preferable, to have a new circuit installed, and that for us, as a general rule, we normally do exactly that, but we're not aimed at consumers.

In reply to a post by MHC:

How do you know it is 180m from cabinet as you are not connected.

In reply to a post by MHC:

You do not know which cabinet you will be connected to ... so another of your fairy stories.

You what?

Of course he knows what cabinet he will be connected to. It's listed on the Wholesale checker.
He's taken hundreds of pics of it.

In reply to a post by MHC:

So, if you are connected why are they installing a line tomorrow ... You just keep spouting rubbish and fairy stories.

He's already connected to cabinet 8. He has (now had) FTTC from it for over 7 years.

Clearly you don't like him and think he makes things up, but he knows what cabinet he's connected to.
The PCP doesn't change with an upgrade to G.Fast.

I thought I made it clear in my "post-installation" reply to the OP that I now realised an engineer visit is normal to check the line is up to scratch from the technical aspect.

Openreach are still, it seems, taking the safety first approach they initially did with FTTC. Engineer visit and installation of the modem, plus a check for success. I have no problem with that either.

The issue was that he had been told a new line had to be installed. I was proved right! It was unnecessary.

What would have happened if the earth test or the final test failed is a different question. Similarly with your upgrade.

Just because he has one line connected to a cabinet, does not mean the second will be too. My sister in-law had connections to two cabinets plus an EO at one time. Friends of theirs likewise.

A friend close by here has his residential line to one cabinet and business to a second.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just because he has one line connected to a cabinet, does not mean the second will be too.

99.99% of the time it does.

It's a migration. 100% of the time that will be the same line on the same cabinet.

Read what he posted - it was to be a NEW line installed.

It would still be from the same cabinet.

He's ordering a product with an extremely short range.
Upon ordering you are given an estimate based on the cabinet number quoted on the wholesale checker.

He knows it's cabinet 8.
I know it's cabinet 8.
It's cabinet 8, new line or not.

That's how all VDSL2 and G.Fast orders work.
Every single 1.

Just remember, there are so many fairy stories - what do you want to believe?


And just because it says Cabinet X on te checker - it does not always happen that way.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just remember, there are so many fairy stories - what do you want to believe?

He's posted about a dozen screenshots of his order, of the wholesale checker confirming a cease, photos of the engineers JDSU.

I'm not here to judge anyone, but yes, I believe him.

And just because it says Cabinet X on te checker - it does not always happen that way.

It does in 99.99% of cases, excluding the occasional database error.

You cannot order G.Fast from 1 PCP and have it delivered from another PCP.
It doesn't have the range to be enabled from the next PCP away.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just remember, there are so many fairy stories - what do you want to believe?


And just because it says Cabinet X on te checker - it does not always happen that way.

Your straws will soon disintegrate when you touch one, .

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just because he has one line connected to a cabinet, does not mean the second will be too. My sister in-law had connections to two cabinets plus an EO at one time. Friends of theirs likewise.

A friend close by here has his residential line to one cabinet and business to a second.

A friend had the same at his old house and one cabinet had FTTC and the other didn't.
Houses to his right up to the end of the street couldn't get FTTC houses to his left to the start of the street could.
What was weirdest was his original line couldn't get FTTC but the second line he got for working from home could.

Thanks
Dan

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

I don't think that knowing somebody that knows somebody else that might have said something is really credible evidence that Gfast is iffy or hit and miss.

I don't have G.fast, I don't anyone with G.fast, we don't have G.fast in this city as far as I know, so I can only get info from other websites and from people who may know other people that has it.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just because he has one line connected to a cabinet, does not mean the second will be too. My sister in-law had connections to two cabinets plus an EO at one time. Friends of theirs likewise.

A friend close by here has his residential line to one cabinet and business to a second.

But that is not normal unless there are cables from both cabinets running up your street.
The cabinet I thought I would be connected is closer than the one I am, only just, but it is closer. but as far as I know no one up this street is connected to it A house that is closer to the cabinet that I am not connected to down the road is connected to the same one as I am. I helped them sort out their computer and broadband a few years ago. They have moved now, so I have not seen them for a while.


Ok, just a quick edit, i just had a look on the BT checker just to be nosey and that house is now on the other cabinet, I don't know how far it goes up the road and according to the checker they can get G.fast, speed about 120Mb/s ish



interesting.

Edited by zyborg47 (Wed 26-May-21 14:45:58)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

What would have happened if the earth test or the final test failed is a different question. Similarly with your upgrade.

This one the engineer did test the line for earthing. All passed and say perfect before he went back to the cabinet to switch over to Gfast from FTTC.

He did say at first if the earthing test and test all FAILED, Gfast will not go head and the FTTC will remain at old provider.

In reply to a post by MHC:

Just remember, there are so many fairy stories - what do you want to believe?


And just because it says Cabinet X on te checker - it does not always happen that way.

Do yourself a big favour - SHUT UP

Edited by adslmax (Wed 26-May-21 14:50:39)

When you stop telling fairy stories maybe I will. How many false statements have you made?

For example you claimed:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Next door and mine are connected to Cabinet 8 G.fast.

And then you say you are being connected the following day. And you stated you did not have G.Fast - but in that post you claim to already have it.

In reply to a post by MHC:

For example you claimed:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Next door and mine are connected to Cabinet 8 G.fast.

And then you say you are being connected the following day. And you stated you did not have G.Fast - but in that post you claim to already have it.

What I meant is next door and mine are connected to the same cabinet 8 - what big deal or moaned over it?

I did say my FTTC will change to GFast with new ISP.

Please stop it now.Enough now.

Seeing as he's had broadband for donkey's years, he made a perfectly true and sensible statement. Why are you continuing to bully him.

We all know at times he tells fairy stories, but wrt the cabinet number that clearly wasn't the case.

So are you saying that you are NOT connected to the cabinet you thought you would be connected to?

In reply to a post by MHC:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Look I am not argue here. Next door and mine are connected to Cabinet 8 G.fast.

PROOF.

You say you are connected, and earlier you said they are connecting you tomorrow. Which fairy story do you want people to believe.

If his posts bother you so much why not just ignore them?

In reply to a post by broadband66:

So are you saying that you are NOT connected to the cabinet you thought you would be connected to?

I am still connected to the same cabinet, I put a house number in halfway up the road and that is connected to the other cabinet, but no G.fast, must be too far away. I also put a house number in 5 doors down and that is connected to the same cabinet as me.
So i don't know when they changed things, it could have been a couple of years ago when I saw a load of Open reach vans close to the other cabinet.
I have just done search for an address that is next door to the cabinet I am on and it says nothing about G.fast, so i presume the cabinet I am on is not capable of doing it.

i went past the other one today as I went into town, I was going to have a look at it but forgot, going out for a pint tomorrow so I will do it then if i remember.

Just strange that one cabinet has G.fast and the other don't

My same layout for 36 houses to the cabinet 8 (only 7 houses do have G.fast and the rest of 29 houses do not have G.fast because it too far away from the G.fast cabinet) Out of 36 houses just one house got a clean bill of both high and low for max 330/50 on G.fast. Very strange but that life.

My house max on G.fast is 282/44, next door is 290/44 and two next doors of mine is 330/50 but that was estimated checker by BTw. I actually get max line rate of 210/29 on Openreach Test Kit on the socket. So, BTw checker is misleads really as it did changed estimated today for my house from 282/44 down to 230/34. The real stats from the gfast router say max data rate are 184/28.

Attainable Net Data Rate: 28.571 Mbps 184.549 Mbps (this one should be estimated on BTw checker 184/28 not 282/44 in the first place)

Edited by adslmax (Wed 26-May-21 21:46:05)

Sorry posted to wrong person. Should have been aimed at Max

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Sorry posted to wrong person. Should have been aimed at Max

Max said he was connected to cab 8, and is . Someone argued at length that he couldn't know. adslmax's history of checking the BTW estimates for his line over more than a decade makes it almost impossible for him not to have known it.

I don't understand why he banged on about a 180m distance and is subsequently on about a 150m distance. All approx'.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

49.99 per month for gfast 160/30 57.99 for gfast 330/50

Ouch! I pay a straight £39 a month for 500/500 FTTP. £60 a month would get me 1000/1000 And the price is fixed for 2 years.

Yes, moving to an unknown ISP can be a leap in the dark but its not as if the tech is still being planned.

In reply to a post by 69bertie:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

49.99 per month for gfast 160/30 57.99 for gfast 330/50

Ouch! I pay a straight £39 a month for 500/500 FTTP. £60 a month would get me 1000/1000 And the price is fixed for 2 years.

Yes, moving to an unknown ISP can be a leap in the dark but its not as if the tech is still being planned.

Actually I pay £25 a month cos my daughter will pay me the rest of £25 toward £49.99 monthly bill for Gfast 160/30.

You forget one thing my area don't have any FTTP (full fibre)

You keep telling us that YOU pay £25, that is still a lot of money as it is half the total cost.