Thanks for the link. Interesting thread.

Yes, can see you have a two horse race, but if 250 GB a month is acceptable (as it seems to be) and the only 'downside' is some Peer-to-Peer throttling for a few hours a day (and remember overnight is not included in that 250 GB, so traffic _could_ run at full pelt - I only run such traffic and iPlayer downloads overnight, by the way) then the only significant difference is cost and the 50 quid saving using BT is exceeded by the monthly cost once you have passed the 9th month.

As for keeping the phone line with BT, then I'd suggest next time annual renewal comes around, look at the cost of using Primus. It might be similar if you use Caller Display and other services, but after 12 months it you have no ongoing 12 month contracts and it is probably 2 quid a month cheaper than BT on Line Saver (and I use 1899.com - an indirect service - for the few calls I make on that instead of my mobile).

Also, remember that you can get a discount if you recommend PlusNet to friends, so the cost could be halved or get to a stage where they pay you! Though no links to be shown on TBB.

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the cost of the outstanding fibre term. This is instead of the full cost of the outstanding months. It is £4.25pm on Value Fibre and £5.50pm on Extra Fibre.

That's useful to know and very reasonable, IMO. I knew OFCOM had requested Telco firms charge what it was really costing them in the case of voice lines, didn't know if they had put something formal in writing to ISPs about ADSL/Fibre, but either way, it's good to see an ISP has set the fee at a reasonable level. I'll have to see if it is on some FAQ page (so that if someone considering another ISP wants to check, they can, and then ask <whichever> ISP what they charge... I have no doubt some will have a higher monthly fee for cancellations, and might be persuaded to lower them.)

Just wish others would have adopted the fairness principle when it came to Market 1,2,3 pricing but PN seems to be the exception rather than the rule. Some might have considered the faff of having to explain more trouble and cost (in CS time) than setting a level which covered everyone (either higher than essential, to boost the bottom line, or averaged so those on Market 1 got a bit of assistance from the rest).

Of course the cheapest deals from ISPs like Sky/TalkTalk (with limited interest in Market 1) may not have been available to all (though I've not checked, it's just gut feeling!)

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In reply to a post by RobertoS:

the cost of the outstanding fibre term. This is instead of the full cost of the outstanding months. It is £4.25pm on Value Fibre and £5.50pm on Extra Fibre.

That's useful to know and very reasonable, IMO ... I'll have to see if it is on some FAQ page

http://www.plus.net/info2/legal/price_guide.html#fibre - Table 9.

http://www.plus.net/info2/legal/price_guide.html#fibre - Table 9.

Thanks. Wasn't going to go searching today anyway, but good to have a link (will end up in my GMail too).

A number of people have issues with it's wireless performance - especially those on fibre.

I can see "both sides of the fence".

On one hand Plusnet are trying to eliminate router config etc. problems.

On the other customers want something that works for *them*.

The only solution is for Plusnet to improve it's technical base and I guess as that would cost we aren't going to see that happen.

Maybe Plusnet could charge extra for those that raise problems with "other" routers; but how would that be worked out? The trouble with BB is that it involves too many variables. At the moment one company tends to blame another. The ISP blames the wholesale or modem supplier and the customer is left with the problem.

I think you now have your answer but it's a crud router and for the price.

See amazon for some reviews. http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B005ELFTH4/r...

As we were discussing before, it's not ecnomical to do it that way anyway. I will be stung with even more charges and you save nothing like you say.

I should get connection at least half price with them cashback offers if I go for it.

Have you never noticed that the forum software inserts a full-width line between your post and your sig?

LoL no, not until now. I was too busy replying.