Yep. And they succeeded. The 7-9 has to be ADSL2+.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I've no idea what that 7-9 was. Are you sure it wasn't MBps, (MegaBytes ps)?

No, it's the non-Fibre BB speeds (but reads as if it's generic BB ), comme ca:

Fibre broadband
Download speed ||||||||||||||||||||||59Mb

Broadband
Download speed |||7Mb

Mb (per second) 0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80

Broadband: Download speed could vary between 6Mb and 8Mb.

Fibre broadband: Speed could vary depending on line conditions and the package you choose.

The estimated speed shown above is based on information held by BT Wholesale. Estimates are the maximum speeds that your phone line can support.

I guess my worry is that with O2, the 'estimated speed' was 18mb (on the 20mb package) but ended up being 10mb tops. There seems little point me paying £22 pm for 34mb if I'm only going to get 10-15mb, as that's not enough to make any difference over and above a standard 10mb package.

So back on to my question, is it possible to tell when speeds I 'should get' with my line data?.

In reply to a post by Bamster:

So back on to my question, is it possible to tell when speeds I 'should get' with my line data?.

You "should get" around 34Mbps, as on the estimate you have been given. There is a fair likelihood it will be higher but no reason why it should only be half unless you have an internal wiring problem. The ADSL line data you have given doesn't really help, FTTC/VDSL is rather different. BTW if you order the unlimited product and your estimate is only 34Mbps, Plusnet will put you on the 40/10 profile. If it turns out that you sync at the very top end of this, they will put you on 80/20 if you request it.

You need to know the wire distance from your FTTC cabinet. Then there are some estimators.

Most people find the Openreach estimator, which is the one giving you 34Mbps, will be exceeded if you are an early one on the cabinet, but drop towards it if there are more users added. Or around it if they are already there, which is likely in your case.

Re the home wiring, it gets taken out of the equation on FTTC. Unless the imminent self-install comes in before you take the plunge. An Openreach engineer comes and fits a new type of filtered faceplate to your NTE5 master socket, and connects a VDSL2 modem to it. You then run Ethernet to your cable type router and from there onwards you are back to normal.

If you order the free Home Wiring Solution, (often called by its old name - a data extension kit), on the same order as the FTTC he can either move the master socket to wherever you prefer, up to 30 metres cable run, or leave the master socket where it is and run the cable to where you want your modem and install a socket for it there.

How many times do you have to be told that there is no relationship between the proportion of your actual speed on ADSL BB to the estimated speed with that proportion for fibre. The former depends in line length all the way back to exchange, while latter just on line length to your green cabinet. There is no magic 50% residing in your property. Kindly stop spouting that 50%; it is not helping you.

In reply to a post by Bamster:

is it possible to tell when speeds I 'should get' with my line data?

No. it's impossible! Your router stats are for ADSL BB, not Fibre. They bear no relationship to Fibre. The only thing everyone has to do is order fibre and see what you eventually get and complain if it is significantly slower than estimate.

W.r.t. your original O2 estimate of 18 Meg: You see the PN estimate of 7 Meg for my ADSL BB that I just posted?

Well this is for a line that has no BB on it at present but has previously had about 15-16 Meg from O2. While my 2nd line does have ADSL BB on it running at 20 Meg, but PN (& BT) only estimate it at 12 Meg. That's how accurate these estimates are .

Your connection is currently underperforming on ADSL2+. You should be getting nearly 14 Meg. If that is due to a fault in your internal wiring or in that back to the cab, it could similarly affect your fibre speeds.

On a standard FTTC installation existing internal wiring is not used, so would not affect the FTTC speeds. A problem between the premises and the PCP would probably have a greater effect than now.

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 26-Aug-13 22:30:00)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

How many times do you have to be told that there is no relationship between the proportion of your actual speed on ADSL BB to the estimated speed with that proportion for fibre. The former depends in line length all the way back to exchange, while latter just on line length to your green cabinet. There is no magic 50% residing in your property. Kindly stop spouting that 50%; it is not helping you.

In reply to a post by Bamster:

is it possible to tell when speeds I 'should get' with my line data?

No. it's impossible! Your router stats are for ADSL BB, not Fibre. They bear no relationship to Fibre. The only thing everyone has to do is order fibre and see what you eventually get and complain if it is significantly slower than estimate.

W.r.t. your original O2 estimate of 18 Meg: You see the PN estimate of 7 Meg for my ADSL BB that I just posted?

Well this is for a line that has no BB on it at present but has previously had about 15-16 Meg from O2. While my 2nd line does have ADSL BB on it running at 20 Meg, but PN (& BT) only estimate it at 12 Meg. That's how accurate these estimates are .

Your connection is currently underperforming on ADSL2+. You should be getting nearly 14 Meg. If that is due to a fault in your internal wiring or in that back to the cab, it could similarly affect your fibre speeds.

Calm down, nobody is spouting 50%. I used it mainly to indicate my current speed compared to my current package, call it what you want, 11mb, 50%. I was just trying to indicate, in tandem with my stats, my current speed.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

You need to know the wire distance from your FTTC cabinet. Then there are some estimators.

Most people find the Openreach estimator, which is the one giving you 34Mbps, will be exceeded if you are an early one on the cabinet, but drop towards it if there are more users added. Or around it if they are already there, which is likely in your case.

Re the home wiring, it gets taken out of the equation on FTTC. Unless the imminent self-install comes in before you take the plunge. An Openreach engineer comes and fits a new type of filtered faceplate to your NTE5 master socket, and connects a VDSL2 modem to it. You then run Ethernet to your cable type router and from there onwards you are back to normal.

If you order the free Home Wiring Solution, (often called by its old name - a data extension kit), on the same order as the FTTC he can either move the master socket to wherever you prefer, up to 30 metres cable run, or leave the master socket where it is and run the cable to where you want your modem and install a socket for it there.

Thanks for clearing up my questions
I'll be ordering the Home Wiring Solution also.

Many thanks.

If that's all you are doing then stop extrapolating it to Fibre as you have been trying to do, e.g.

In reply to a post by Bamster:

There seems little point me paying £22 pm for 34mb if I'm only going to get 10-15mb