I know someone that decided to take a leak after having climbed over some scaffolding and fell off. His employer didn't specifically say don't do that. He didn't have a leg to stand on (excuse the pun).

And is it not your responsibility to use common sense and think. If YOU add an extension to your phone line and in some way the wiring is wrong and causes a broadband or phone issue then who should pay to have it fixed?

In reply to a post by broadband66:

As a clue. A dual carriageway is a dual carriageway whether 1 or 2 lanes either side.

70mph is only the Official Speed Limit for dual carriageways and motorways.

What really matters for the vigilant petrolhead is the Speeding Enforcement Policy Guidance.

Issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO), the Guidance indicates a threshold of 10% + 2mph.

10% + 2mph is the threshold above the Speed Limit before a penalty is likely to be imposed for excess speed. The cameras are only calibrated to an accuracy of 3% above 66mph, so there's a generous margin to play with.

Don't tell your wives this, but the prudent motorist can comfortably do 79mph on a dual carriageway or motorway without real risk of censure.

My mate asbo swears by the ACPO Guidelines. Wiith just four driving bans to his name - he knows his stuff when it comes to speeding. As ever, it's a case of follow by example.

That rule-of-thumb of {10% + 2mph} above the Official Speed Limit serves well as a benchmark in today's cautious world of modern motoring.


http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ACPO+Speed+Enforcem...

But you also have to take into account the accuracy of your speedo. It is also your speedo will be under reading and so could get a fine because you thought you were following the guidelines.

But then on every comparative measure I have (like those signs that tell you how fast you are going and the TomTom that gives my speed) it looks like my car reads about 2 mph over (ie doing 28mph it reads 30mph).

Regarding the 10% + 2mph
I am not sure that is still valid with automatic ticket generation by speed cameras as I have heard of several people being done at 33mph in a 30mph limit

I had to laugh..
Only 4 driving bans..
He really must know his stuff... Did he learn about speed limits after his 4th ban.

That said it seems this thread has gone into meltdown.

Anyway made me smile this morning.

Car Speedo's are allowed to and commonly do over read by 10%
One on of my cars while in tolerance at 30 to 40 mph by 70mph the over read is higher than 10% (as checked against a aviation standard quality grade GPS)
Speedos are not permitted to under read.

So for example if you are speeding in a 30 mph limit
the 10% plus 2 mph ACPO guide lines will give you 35 real speed before you are 'done'
if your speedo is over reading by 10% then it will be indicating 39mph at 35 real.
...and by rights it seems quite reasonable that you should in this example be given a ticket.

So I tend to ignore the "i was only doing 32 in a 30 zone and I got caught by a camera" claims

Yes most if not all car speedometers read over the actual speed your traveling at
As they are not calibrated(Except traffic police cars) like Lgv/Psv's or any onther vehicle fitted with a tachograph are, So when you are in roadworks on the motorway you know those 40 or 50mph limits and you have a lorry or coach chewing off your rear bumbper check your speedo chances are that your only doing under the speed limit by 5-7mph but your speedo will tell you 40 or 50 , this inacuracy increases the faster you drive ,

Also if you seriously think that almost every lorry driver is going to risk his /her vocational licence through speeding then you must be very dumb, like the muppets that try and play policemen by pulling in front of a 44t lorry and purposly slowing down,to prevent the lorry making progress, When the lorry wasn't speeding in the first place, there's far too many looney's with driving licences these days on our roads
So what i describe happens to you maybe you should increase and mantain your speed a little so your doing 50, or hang up your keys

Just a thought what has this got to do with the title of this thread?

Edited by tommy45 (Fri 17-Apr-15 12:56:04)

What post are you responding to? You see to not be happy with the poster you reply to but are not saying anything different to what they did.

And any lorry or bus driver "chewing off your rear bumper" should back off anyway as that is dangerous no matter how much below the limit you are doing - cars stop quicker than lorries/buses so they should be leaving a healthy gap anyway. The police will do them in the event of an accident not the person doing a little under the speed limit (after all, it is maximum speed not a target).

And it has nothing to do with the thread title - but that isn't that unusual when a thread has been around for a while. There will be an obvious point where it deviated.

In reply to a post by zom22:

So I tend to ignore the "i was only doing 32 in a 30 zone and I got caught by a camera" claims

But they tell you on the ticket how fast you were going.

Sorry about the deviation. I got bored with certain posters attitude!