In reply to a post by kbturner:

In reply to a post by professor973:

BT managed White Label

Forgive my ignorance - what does that mean?

This post might help. It refers to (and modifies in the text) a thinkbroadband diagram. Read through until you get to the White label bit, as if you just look for it you may find it harder to understand my description.

In reply to a post by kbturner:

I've come across a deal with SSE which looks quite attractive (this is ADSL, there's currently no FTTC at my exchange):

SSE has some attractive 2 year offers with a lot (up to £126) of cashback at TCB. Note their anytime calling package costs £5 but also hikes the line rental by £3, their calling features are horrendously expensive at £3.25 each.

I am looking at a 2 year retention offer from plusnet which despite needing anytime and 1 calling feature isn't as good as the SSE offer and I would get a tg799vn v2 modem/router which is probably better than what I have.

These new plusnet hikes make it even worse, however, I called them and was told that when the phone prices go up I can call them and they will drop the BB charge to match.

Think I am going to stick with plusnet, the small saving and new modem not worth the hassle and risk of moving to SSE. If I didn't want anytime and caller ID it would go the other way.

They use headline grabbing click-bait headline prices, just as they all do. A search in the small print shows another £7:99 at the last count to their prices. Quite a sting in the tail when the Sprat runs out (introductory discount).

I am getting so FED UP with increasing line rental. Greedy Plusnet!

I am going elsewhere when my contract with fibre is expiry.

Your loss Plusnet. The reason for PN to increase line rental and calling plan because they kept giving new customers discounts so we are paying every penny back!

Edited by adslmax (Tue 30-Jun-15 19:01:03)

In reply to a post by professor973:

Don't know what's happened with your entered postcode, but totally wrong to me. I AM on a market 1 exchange. It did not alter the price of £19 for BB and £6 for line as BB taken with them before I switched to fibre. - Either way Plusnet is as expensive as Bt on Market 1 - been there and got the t-shirt.

The example I gave is a Market A exchange, i.e. zero LLU presence. It also has no WBC, hence the up-to 8 meg Pulse8 IPstream Connect package is offered at £28 per month plus line rental, which is more than Plusnet's Market A price of £22.49.

Edited by Oliver341 (Tue 30-Jun-15 19:35:05)

LLU presence at an exchange makes no difference to Market rating. TT unbundled my exchange years ago and NO effect on rating or description. Looks like Sky hooked up this very week as not mentioned before.
https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EAGLE

Edited by professor973 (Tue 30-Jun-15 21:26:01)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I am going elsewhere when my contract with fibre is expiry.

You need to consider the total cost, not just the line rental. Some of the alternative providers being posted here charge three times as much as Plusnet is charging me for unlimited 80/20 FTTC.

Market Classification has never been a dynamic real-time thing.

Ofcom set it periodically based on the LLU situation at the time and some almost certain short-term forecasts. It then issues a definitive list, with supplementary lists of the movements between classifications.

I forget when the first one was. 2005 or something I think. The second M1/2/3 classification was December 2010. Now we have the A/B classification, which in broad terms seem to have been ignored by all.

Long after selling there complete setup to BTW EE/Orange still based their prices on exchanges being on their old LLU network or not. As far as I know they still do.

Plusnet do somewhere have a list of A/B and what the new one for each exchange is but whether this affects how they charge I don't know.

I have the 2010 list, and somewhere I think I have the new A/B list, but on a quick look can only find the 2013 consultation document. If I remember I'll have another look tomorrow.

In reply to a post by professor973:

Don't know what's happened with your entered postcode, but totally wrong to me. I AM on a market 1 exchange. It did not alter the price of £19 for BB and £6 for line as BB taken with them before I switched to fibre. - Either way Plusnet is as expensive as Bt on Market 1 - been there and got the t-shirt.

as you said, your exchange is TT LLU enabled... Market 1 exchanges consist only of BT equipment (though now unbundling is becoming more common in market 1 exchanges..)

So this will explain the difference in Price.

Also Plusnet will be as expensive as BT on Market one... if they weren't then they wouldn't get the priority over BT and would end up a waste of time for the EU.

In reply to a post by kasg:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I am going elsewhere when my contract with fibre is expiry.

You need to consider the total cost, not just the line rental. Some of the alternative providers being posted here charge three times as much as Plusnet is charging me for unlimited 80/20 FTTC.

I agree.. leaving Plusnet for this price change is not worth it at all... I'm keeping my ADSL connection as it is one not as important as my FTTC line and also Plusnet is a pretty good ADSL provider... I do doubt there abilities to provide FTTC though...

I'm still going to challenge them over there decision to reduce the 24/7 Support feature of my contract... have them note my account terminated due to price increase would by unfair as it is really the dissatisfaction with the service performance and the poor choice's having detrimental affects on the customers in the past few months!