In reply to a post by ChrisAO:

In reply to a post by Alucidnation:

In reply to a post by ChrisAO:

Try doing a tracert to ntp.plus.net I think you will find it obvious when/if you have moved.

Just done that and got......................
Invalid traceroute data ( 9 * * te2-1-4.ptw-ssw01.plus.net (195.166.129.157) 13.230 ms !A)

Are you still getting that? Is it consistent?
Apart from which, posting the whole tracert maybe significant.
Bob said here that all tracert's would be similar to the one's posted previously.

No, it appears not now.

Current trace...

1 lo0.10.central10.pcl-bng02.plus.net 195.166.130.151 10.616 ms 10.669 ms 10.280 ms
2 irb.10.PCL-CR02.plus.net 84.93.249.82 14.673 ms 12.546 ms 11.102 ms
3 po2.pcl-gw01.plus.net 195.166.129.41 11.399 ms 11.376 ms 11.200 ms
4 po2.ptw-gw02.plus.net 195.166.129.39 11.185 ms
5 * * *
6 * * *
7 * * *

And stars thereafter.

In reply to a post by jelv:

Issues with configuring EU equipment are irrelevant. Enabling IPv6 on a network doesn't mean everyone has to use it and if the EU's equipment isn't configured for IPv6 it just won't be used and they will carry on using IPv4. As no router ever supplied by Plusnet has ever been configured for IPv6 only geeks who knew what they were doing would pick it up from the beginning.

All those geeks as you refer to them who want to use IPv6 can do it in the way they have to date - using a tunnel over IPv4.

As above, I believe Plusnet have taken a rational decision that they don't want to 'support' (including tech support etc) IPv6 at the moment which is effectively what they would have to do if they rolled it out now - at the same time they are making other major changes to their networks.

The Home Hubs that Plusnet now supply are capable of IPv6 with a firmware upgrade which should be available soon (to BT Retail customers anyway)

Going beyond that, if they'd said the new network is IPv6 ready but we won't be turning it on for a few weeks because of the points you've made, that would be fine. But no, they've said "no timescale" - that is pretty terrible.

Perhaps for the same reason they never announced the new network in the first place in advance - they want to see the migration being successful before they announce it publicly/officially and/or raise expectations of their customers.

They didn't say it wasn't going to happen but have not committed to any public dates - do you really think they would invest in a new network now which was not IPv6 capable (or BT would let them)?

Not necessarily the communications strategy I would use and obviously the wording my their staff could have been better though!

You have to accept a) most of Plusnet's customers don't care about IPv6 and b) the BT Group is unlikely to run out of IPv4 addresses any time soon for their own customers..

Edited by gt94sss2 (Sat 09-Jan-16 19:56:38)

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I never saw IPv6 in windows xp or windows 7 for that matter the first I saw it is Windows 8

When I was on the Plusnet IPv6 trial I had IPv6 running on both Win 7 and XP with minimal effort - turned it on and it worked!

Took a little longer to configure the Technicolor TG582.

In reply to a post by gt94sss2:

You have to accept a) ... and b) the BT Group is unlikely to run out of IPv4 addresses any time soon for their own customers..

How very odd that both BT Consumer and Plusnet are getting many cases of customers being denied access to sites such as BBC iPlayer, due to not being in the UK. Having bought blocks registered to CPs in other countries and many sites records not recognising the change of location for the block.

In reply to a post by jelv:

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I never saw IPv6 in windows xp or windows 7 for that matter the first I saw it is Windows 8

When I was on the Plusnet IPv6 trial I had IPv6 running on both Win 7 and XP with minimal effort - turned it on and it worked! Took a little longer to configure the Technicolor TG582.

I've had IPv6 working on Win2000, but it was a technical preview, still available on the MS site. We trialled it at work. With XP its as simple as "netsh int ipv6 install" at the command prompt (and recall XP is Windows 2002). You can also use the GUI.

With Vista and later IPv6 is installed by default (set to use DHCPv6 / RADV), which hence means Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 are all running it. In fact some microsoft corporate functionality goes wrong if you disable IPv6.

My last two ASUS routers (one N, one AC) have supported IPv6 natively since launch, and support IPv6 tunnels where the ISP doesn't. I've hence used an IPv6 tunnel working, and my iPhone 4s was able to connect to an IPv6 site, that's a 5 year old phone. I didn't need the connectivity so disabled it after testing.

(Don't forget your firewall software needs to understand IPv6 too).

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

How very odd that both BT Consumer and Plusnet are getting many cases of customers being denied access to sites such as BBC iPlayer, due to not being in the UK. Having bought blocks registered to CPs in other countries and many sites records not recognising the change of location for the block.

This is really because TCP/IP wasn't designed for geo-location, and its companies such as MaxMind whom have set themselves up as Geo-IP organisations, to help people like the BBC protect their regional content.

IP space is tradable, and the network works, its the Digital Rights Management that starts to go wrong as we are trying to create national borders on a medium that never had any.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

]How very odd that both BT Consumer and Plusnet are getting many cases of customers being denied access to sites such as BBC iPlayer, due to not being in the UK.

I have not seen these geo-location issues affect BT, I don't think they have needed to trade IP address space with American organisations like Plusnet have had to do.

Agreed.

I was using this sort of thing to illustrate to the other poster that BT Group clearly didn't have what they considered enough IPv4 addresses when the Fisons hit the fan a while ago.

I thought I had seen a few, but happy even if I'm wrong. The important point is that at least one major member of BT Group is or was short of IPv4 addresses. Contrary to what was asserted. Plusnet have certainly not been able to rely on BT Consumer for bailout on the issue.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 09-Jan-16 22:58:59)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Contrary to what was asserted. Plusnet have certainly not been able to rely on BT Consumer for bailout on the issue.

Yes indeed, there is still quite a lot of separation between BT Retail and Plusnet in terms of network topology, including IP address space.