BT Infinity Thrashed

ok, has anyone with BT infinity downloaded >10TB yet per month. What is the maximum you have been able to dowload before being collered?

To achieve what, sorry?

Well the maximum I could realistically download is somewhere closer to 7TB because of my connection speed...but I don't exactly have a room of hard disks for the job!

In fact, to do 10TB you need pretty much a full 40mbit sync running 24/7 if my calculations are correct. In other words it would be pretty difficult to achieve it even if you wanted to.

there is always the statement. If you can, why not.

I`m of the opinion that if you want to download the internet, go get a leased line! Oh wait a minute that would cost too much money, so please can I have the moon on a stick

actually no. The original question was how much could you download before you started to get restricted. I was just wondering what that is. Are we now at a sate with this technology where the download limit (if any) does not effect anything we do.

Come on this old ground been done to death, yes there is the unlimited option but I`m pretty sure if you max your line out 24/7 you will get your collar felt. My last ISP Bethere prided them selves on the truely unlimited tag but IRC a few individuals getting the heave for going crazy.

However I think BT have made it pretty difficult to download 24/7 due to their use of traffic management. You know there is more to having a nice fast line with plenty bandwidth other than maxing it out 24/7!

well the "old" "limit" was 300GB so around that is reasonable

Of course if you do 500GB one month I doubt BT will care. If you do terabytes each month they are probably right to tell you to wise up

if your able to run p2p and toorents at a max 24/7 let us in on the secret as "eycola" realy takes the hump at this and remember if you use too much data BT can erminate your contract at no expense to you to get you off there network

Not tried it have you? Last big download was on newsgroups a few weeks back and it was flying. Downloaded the WoW client the other day and it was fairly fast as well considering its p2p. Just noticed recently though BT have caught up with my £8 discount I was getting every month bummer!!

Very tempted to make the switch from sky to inifinity, just not sure how bad the throttling is.
What is their traffic management like? When does it kick in? How much is it slowed down? What does it affect, torrents, http/ftp, newsgroups?

Have just switched from virgin to infinity. So far brilliant- too early to make a considered judgement- time will tell

p2p and torrents from aprox 3pm to midnightish weekdays forget about it, newsgroups are throttled to around 2meg on my line remember im on adsl max and not infinity but the throttle protocol will be unicversal sat and sunday p2p and torrents start to be throttled from around 9am

I'm surprised you still have an internet connection, would have thought all ISP's would have disconnected you by now if that is how you plan to use a residential broadband package.

Just because you've got mains water do you leave all the taps on all the time?

Just because you've got gas do you leave the heating on all the time even in summer?

I think not! Grow up!

You will see traffic shaping increasing on such protocols as P2P as take up increases of BT FTTC product .

So what your getting away with now , you wont get away with in the future .

This thread should be put into a museum , as a exhibit of why unlimited can never be unlimited as there is always one that will ruin it for everyone else , just because they can .

Gas and water are metered.

FAIL.

Not all water! Some are charged by their rateable value.

HALF PASS!

Yes. But with if people abuse the "unlimited" packages then there soon won't be "unlimited" internet.

And why do you think utilities are metered? Because it costs more and people took advantage!

The internet is the 4th utility and soon enough it will all be metered due to the way some people continue to try and download the whole internet. I can't think of anything legal that would require the bandwidth some people are now using.

It depends how fairly you use P2P & torrent which dictates how much throttling takes place. Many people download consistently & upload zilch which would definitely attract throttling.

In reply to a post by geordiekris:

newsgroups are throttled to around 2meg on my line remember im on adsl max and not infinity but the throttle protocol will be unicversal sat and sunday p2p and torrents start to be throttled from around 9am

I've not noticed any peak time throttling of newsgroups on Infinity, whenever I have downloaded anything I get around 4.6MB/sec. I don't use p2p.

In reply to a post by TheHorseman:

In reply to a post by geordiekris:

newsgroups are throttled to around 2meg on my line remember im on adsl max and not infinity but the throttle protocol will be unicversal sat and sunday p2p and torrents start to be throttled from around 9am

I've not noticed any peak time throttling of newsgroups on Infinity, whenever I have downloaded anything I get around 4.6MB/sec. I don't use p2p.

There is NO throttling of Newsgroups (NNTP) on BT at all (ADSL or Infinity). I use newsgroups a lot, so do know.
P2P is another matter. Throttling at peak times and according to users sometimes over extends into offpeak , but as I don't use P2P very much, this does not worry me

Edited by tonym (Mon 20-Jun-11 20:30:21)

Perhaps Geordie is confusing BT's free Giganews subscription which is certainly restricted to around 2meg speeds to us adsl max punters although still a great part of the bundle.

Edited by deleted (Mon 20-Jun-11 20:14:00)

Just because you can't, doesn't mean that someone else can't.

I love the way the moment someone suggests using an "unlimited" line, the self-appointed bandwidth police jump up.

Funny thing is, together with the "wiggling finger and disproving attitude", they never, ever say how much use IS acceptable.

Well it's hard to know how much usage is acceptable because ISP's don't seem to publish contention ratios any more.

Simple maths gives a fair answer from the total possible divided by the contention.

I.E. if you had a 20Mbps service and a contention ration of 50:1 then ((20 Mbps) * 1 month) / 50 = 128.4 gigabytes that's what your fair chunk of bandwidth is.

In reality some people use far less so others can "get away with" using more. So some might use 5GB and some might use 500GB as long as no single person uses 6.26TB then it'll probably work ok.

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

Perhaps Geordie is confusing BT's free Giganews subscription which is certainly restricted to around 2meg speeds to us adsl max punters although still a great part of the bundle.

tell me more

news.btinternet.com is outsourced to giganews. You'll have to give it a go to see if infinity users can access it. ISTR You leave username and paswword blank. It is certainly throttled and number of threads restricted.

Edited by deleted (Tue 21-Jun-11 09:41:37)

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

news.btinternet.com is outsourced to giganews. You'll have to give it a go to see if infinity users can access it. ISTR You leave username and paswword blank. It is certainly throttled and number of threads restricted.

I had forgotten that existed (I used it when I was with BT in 2002/2003). Must try it

wouldn't mind it being a bit slow if it's free. not that giganews is particularly expensive for what you get.

yep still there and defo throttled to around 2 meg

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

news.btinternet.com is outsourced to giganews. You'll have to give it a go to see if infinity users can access it. ISTR You leave username and paswword blank. It is certainly throttled and number of threads restricted.

ta very muchly

So whappen then?

Can Infinity users access BT/Giganews newsgroups and what is the throttling?

The original thread was to find out what the limit actually is on this new technology.

As some have said, most people will not use much. Some will use the whole lot and some in the middle.

What I was wondering was, have we now reached the point with FTTC where for most/all people and even the heavy downloaders that a limit has been reached where we do not have to worry about download limits any more.

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

So whappen then?

Can Infinity users access BT/Giganews newsgroups and what is the throttling?

It looks like we can, just trying it now. Defo heavily throttled though, getting a max of 76KB downloading a set of headers.

How do you access the bt/Giganews newsgroup?

In reply to a post by nelix01:

How do you access the bt/Giganews newsgroup?

You need to put 'news.btinternet.com' (without the quotes) as the server in your news client, no username / password needed.

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

So whappen then?

Can Infinity users access BT/Giganews newsgroups and what is the throttling?

yes we can access it but not tried it out too busy preparing for job interview.

In reply to a post by iand:

ok, has anyone with BT infinity downloaded >10TB yet per month. What is the maximum you have been able to dowload before being collered?

Can give you an indication of an answer. A friends brother is now swearing at BT. He has had Infinity for 11 days. Since day 1 he has been downloading constantly. Yesterday, he was informed that he is being throttled for 7hours per day (peak time)...

I've asked a few pertinent questions - what is his sync/bandwidth, what was he d/ling (as in P2P, usenet, encrypted, or ftp/http transfers), and how much did he estimate in total.

But it appears that there is a limit, and as I warned back in 2006... its very very easy to hit them now.

(I look forwards to the FTTC ISP package that comes with a 2GB allowance!)

In reply to a post by alewis:

I've asked a few pertinent questions - what is his sync/bandwidth, what was he d/ling (as in P2P, usenet, encrypted, or ftp/http transfers), and how much did he estimate in total.

And what are the answers ? There is, I believe, no limit on the BT Infinity Option 2 package but it is still almost certainly subject to some sort of FUP.

Personally, I think your friend's brother probably got what he deserved.

would be good to know how much was used in 11 days that triggered the BT systems. I can not tell as I do not use BT or Infinity

In reply to a post by Squirrel:

In reply to a post by alewis:

I've asked a few pertinent questions - what is his sync/bandwidth, what was he d/ling (as in P2P, usenet, encrypted, or ftp/http transfers), and how much did he estimate in total.

And what are the answers ? There is, I believe, no limit on the BT Infinity Option 2 package but it is still almost certainly subject to some sort of FUP.

Personally, I think your friend's brother probably got what he deserved.

Interesting - if I am not logged in your post shows you as "Ian Stirling, BT Infinity" - is that your ISP, or you do work for BT Infinity? The answer is extremely relevant.

Anyway - given I only posted the message a few hours ago, I have no idea - I haven't had an answer yet. But I am intrigued as to the comment "got what he deserved."

Really? What did he deserve: the package that is ADVERTISED by BT? The service he PAID for? (Option 2 - the allegedly unlimited bandwidth plan)

Or did he deserve to be throttled - if so, why? Why should we not use the bandwidth available?

its unlimited but has a FUP, me thinks your friend has been hammering the torrentz