Infinity and Traffic Shaping

The earlier post titled as this one has been closed because it was hijacked into an argument that was irrelevant to the original question.

I was called by BT tonight, and was astounded to find thier new traffic managemetn policy very clearly explained on their web site. Broadband usage policy

Wow. This says the only type of traffic that is slowed down, and only at peak times, is P2P. Great - from what I read most of that is illegal file sharing anyway.

Yep.

Doubt it'll be long before Zadeks appears. He seems quite fond of saying all sorts are blocked/slowed down on BT despite numerous sources of evidence to the contrary.

I can understand Zadeks concerns. I was with BT and left becasue the usable internet was slowed from 7 to under 1 every evening from 19:30 to 23:30. So I went to Be and have had a steady 7 meg since then. Sadly Be are not going FTTC until some time in 2012 (probably). Two of my friends nearby have no traffic management on their Infiinity connections.

Their traffic shaping is also intelligent it seems.

If you download the Ubuntu operating system(which is free) using a torrent during peak times, it is not throttled.

This indicates to me that they have a whitelist which allows legitimate software to be downloaded at any time.

Edited by deleted (Fri 21-Oct-11 10:03:17)

In reply to a post by Fellwalker:

I can understand Zadeks concerns. I was with BT and left becasue the usable internet was slowed from 7 to under 1 every evening from 19:30 to 23:30. So I went to Be and have had a steady 7 meg since then. Sadly Be are not going FTTC until some time in 2012 (probably). Two of my friends nearby have no traffic management on their Infiinity connections.

all I can say right now is the BT FTTC service I receive just now is pretty good, did a speed test the other night and speed was within my sync range. Been with alot of ISPs over the years and never wanted to give BT a chance with all the rumour that was abound on here with the throttling. However can't complain and speeds miles better than I had with Be

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

all I can say right now is the BT FTTC service I receive just now is pretty good, did a speed test the other night and speed was within my sync range. Been with alot of ISPs over the years and never wanted to give BT a chance with all the rumour that was abound on here with the throttling. However can't complain and speeds miles better than I had with Be

Same here, I have about 3x the download that I had on Be*

Well, it looks as if I will be jumping ship from Be.

Of course they slow it down otherwise their service would turn into a complete mess. The bandwidth is sold at a contention. Just like ever other ISP in the UK unless you order a leased line

Lets put this nonsense to rest once and for all shall we.

As you can see from the pic it's 4.20pm on a saturday. The torrent is running at full speed.

If 3.1MB/sec is BT's idea of "slowing it down" or your idea of a "complete mess" of a service then that's just fine by me.

http://i.imgur.com/SxnG4.jpg

Edited by orly (Sat 22-Oct-11 16:24:57)

That's about 24Mbps?

Could well be using a wireless connection which if it is, is not bad you have to say.However I think the point being made here is thats not exactly slow if it is being throttled? Roll on the 80/20 upgrades enjoy slowband Be

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

Could well be using a wireless connection which if it is, is not bad you have to say.However I think the point being made here is thats not exactly slow if it is being throttled? Roll on the 80/20 upgrades enjoy slowband Be

That's as fast as my BE connection

LOL. Not quite.

I agree it's not as bad as some make out, that ubuntu torrent doesn't tell the whole story though because torrent throttleing isn't a global thing anymore..

Right now I can download that ubuntu torrent at line speed, 4300 KB/s, however from the private tracker I use 15 KB/s is all it will give me.

Not a lot of people know, thankfully, that there is a way to turn that 15 KB/s into line speed. (I won't tell you because it wouldn't be good if everyone started doing it) So for those who know how there is no throttleing at all. I only use torrents 2-3 times a month and only download at peak times if I absolutely have to, not everyone is as considerate though, maybe rightly so, but if they were then there might not be any need to throttle torrents at all.

BT's P2P throttleing is necessary and is, at last, more selective than it used to be.

My sync is only about 29Mbit.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

Could well be using a wireless connection which if it is, is not bad you have to say.However I think the point being made here is thats not exactly slow if it is being throttled? Roll on the 80/20 upgrades enjoy slowband Be

That's as fast as my BE connection

well lets face it you are the minority if you sync at 24Mb on Be. but enjoy anyway whats your upload again, just in the interests of parity of course

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

Could well be using a wireless connection which if it is, is not bad you have to say.However I think the point being made here is thats not exactly slow if it is being throttled? Roll on the 80/20 upgrades enjoy slowband Be

That's as fast as my BE connection

well lets face it you are the minority if you sync at 24Mb on Be.

I get the feeling it's the same with Infinity

What is the same?

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

What is the same?

This

In reply to a post by MrGrumpy:

well lets face it you are the minority if you sync at 24Mb

I would not be so sure, I can say for certain that its the minority who get 24Mb sync on ADSL2+ as not everyone lives in the exchange, with FTTC I reckon a far bigger number get a faster sync, and the upload is night and day faster to boot.

I have recently migrated from Be to BT Infinity. Only managed to get 5Mbps with Be, but now get 38Mbps with Infinity (with 8Mbps upload). Only noticed minor slow downs so far (speed tests in the evening have sometimes been 30Mbps). Either way, it wipes the floor with what I used to get at Be. I didn't really want to go to BT, but at the price and the performance they are offering it was a no brainer really.

I'm not sure about packet shaping but I'm not very happy with BT Infinity so far.

I moved from Be and was getting about 17Mb/s down and 2.5Mb/s up. I'm now getting about 14Mb/s down although I'm also getting about 7.5Mb/s up.

I was told that I should get about 36Mb/s down and 10Mb/s up. I complained to BT and was told that unless I'm getting less than 10Mb/s down or 1Mb/s up that it's within the contractual speeds and they won't do anything about it.

Very unhappy with BT Infinity so far

Definitely something wrong. It is impossible for the FTTC speed to be lower than the ADSL2+ speed on that line, unless there is. Simply because it isn't a long line, where things could be poor, and the line length to the cabinet is less than to the exchange.

So keep at them, or I suggest you contact BT_Care who visit these forums, see the contact link here for them.

Thank you for the suggestion.

I agree. The speed should be at least the ADSL2+ speed.

I understand the subject as I'm a CCNA (Cisco) qualified network technician. Unfortunately most of the people I've managed to speak to at BT obviously don't understand the subject of networking to anything near the level necessary to deal with anything that isn't covered in their troubleshooting flow chart.

I will keep on banging my head against the brick wall that is BT. If enough people bang their heads against a wall for long enough, the wall will eventually fall

Unlock modem & post stats. Post IP profile from http://speedtester.bt.com/

I have found using the Encryption on uTorrent gets around any slow down for Torrents...

Here's a screenshot downloading from a private tracker... as you can see no slow down and after 4pm... never get a slow down if i have encryption on.


http://i43.tinypic.com/9pswux.png