In reply to a post by orly:

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Now, at 25 quid for the up to 40mbit infinity, with very nice uploads, and a 300GB "cap", BT is probably the best deal out there.

I agree entirely with one provision........

As long as they dont throttle the speed on every protocol you are likely to get anywhere close to 300gig doing. That would be my only concern.

Does anyone know what speed they throttle the likes of P2P traffic, newsgroups, P2P streaming services etc down to on infinity products? It appears P2P is definately throttled already...

The FUP...
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495...
States...
"Because a lot of P2P traffic is not time-critical, e.g., downloading and uploading TV programmes or movies for later viewing, we treat P2P traffic differently from time-critical traffic (such as surfing, streaming or internet telephony) and apply speed restrictions to all P2P traffic. We manage these restrictions daily based on the demands on the network, but downstream restrictions will typically be in place 4pm - midnight on weekdays and 9am - midnight on the weekend. Upstream restrictions may be in place at other times."

Anyone know what speed they throttle traffic like this down to? There are a couple of legal movie services that do use P2P technology.

Also my business has an FTP for both uploading and downloading from clients, which is critical. Would that be considered P2P? I know some ISPs do consider it as a peer to peer transfer and some dont.

I've no problem with p2p being throttled as I don't use it I think the legal p2p traffic must be very small.

As for Newsgroups if they did shape them just SSL your connection and they can't classify it anyway.

Does anyone know when BT are releasing the usage monitor???

Cheers

Steve

October 1st.

In reply to a post by GMAN98:

I've no problem with p2p being throttled as I don't use it I think the legal p2p traffic must be very small.

As for Newsgroups if they did shape them just SSL your connection and they can't classify it anyway.

Quite a lot of games, especially mmos, distribute patches via a system thats often identified as P2P traffic and throttled... its no joke trying to download a 400MB game update at ~3-7KB/s or whatever BT decide to throttle it to next... especially as it always seems to be on that one day you have off work - new patch comes out, wrong time of day and your throttled to hell - and was looking forward to playing the game.

In reply to a post by Rroff:

In reply to a post by GMAN98:

I've no problem with p2p being throttled as I don't use it I think the legal p2p traffic must be very small.

As for Newsgroups if they did shape them just SSL your connection and they can't classify it anyway.

Quite a lot of games, especially mmos, distribute patches via a system thats often identified as P2P traffic and throttled... its no joke trying to download a 400MB game update at ~3-7KB/s or whatever BT decide to throttle it to next... especially as it always seems to be on that one day you have off work - new patch comes out, wrong time of day and your throttled to hell - and was looking forward to playing the game.

Yep similar things can also happen with video chat software, gets identified as p2p and you end up basically not being able to use the app.

Certain legal movie streaming services have also been known in the past to be identified as p2p when obviously it isnt.

They state surfing, streaming or internet telephony isnt throttled but id like to know how thats the case in every app or program, because some of them do get identified as p2p.

Ive even known rtsp:// traffic to wrongly be identified as p2p on some networks.

P2P throttling doesnt allows equal just stopping illegal use torrent traffic or actual p2p applications.

Edited by deleted (Sun 22-Aug-10 17:03:27)

In reply to a post by Rroff:

In reply to a post by GMAN98:

I've no problem with p2p being throttled as I don't use it I think the legal p2p traffic must be very small.

As for Newsgroups if they did shape them just SSL your connection and they can't classify it anyway.

Quite a lot of games, especially mmos, distribute patches via a system thats often identified as P2P traffic and throttled... its no joke trying to download a 400MB game update at ~3-7KB/s or whatever BT decide to throttle it to next... especially as it always seems to be on that one day you have off work - new patch comes out, wrong time of day and your throttled to hell - and was looking forward to playing the game.

Have you reported it as an issue? If its being incorrectly throttled you should report it.

Reporting it rarely helps no matter who the ISP. Pipex who i used to be with a few years back, even throttled http://www.ventrilo.com/ obviously not intentionally but it happened.

I guarantee there will be perfectly legit apps or protocols that get throttled on BT also unintentionally...... Reporting it 9/10 times will get you a script reader reply (no matter who the ISP, but especially the bigger ones).

Traffic management systems (or whatever you wish to call them) are not perfect, never have been, never will be. All they cause is annoyance.

If BT have come up with a way to just throttle the likes of bit torrent with no ports being affected for non-bittorrent traffic and no other app out there feeling affects they would be the first to manage it and i find that highly doubtful.

If the contract wasnt 18 months id take a gamble on Infinity for my business (faster uprates would be nice) but without knowing if the transfer speed may end up slower on say an FTP server configured to a high port number (which is essential for my firm), than what runs now, i wont be risking it yet.
(better the devil you know )

EDIT: I still say well done to them though if all the new allowances and bandwidth monitor ends up being true, its a good step forward.

Edited by deleted (Sun 22-Aug-10 19:55:18)

Sure I hear you, scripted responses are a pain but I'd say its worth reporting and keep reporting all the same, if no-one reports it and just lives with it there is no chance it will ever get fixed.

If reported at least there is a chance that it will get fixed as slim as that maybe

Edited by deleted (Sun 22-Aug-10 20:20:20)

In reply to a post by GMAN98:

Sure I hear you, scripted responses are a pain but I'd say its worth reporting and keep reporting all the same, if no-one reports it and just lives with it there is no chance it will ever get fixed.

If reported at least there is a chance that it will get fixed as slim as that maybe

I agree on reporting it, though i think it will be a wasted phone call, letter or personal time.

Its a shame BTs FUP isnt clearer and more precise on what will be throttled, if it were id get atleast one line enabled with fibre for the business.

At the moment if it turned out it crippled the work FTP server it would probably kill my business within days. Customer submitted designs in cad and large 10+Megapixel image files, which sometimes have to be modified and sent back to the client for approval simply couldnt be done if the FTP suddenly crawled to kilobit speeds both on the up and down load.

Id like to think FTP traffic doesnt get throttled (many businesses still rely on FTP) but im not in any hurry to be the guinea pig.

Id ring and ask BT but i have more faith leaping into a burning building than what SOME of their support would tell me . Ill hang back for now, FTTC is still pretty new, as it becomes more widespread im sure we will hear all the positives and negatives on BTs own offering and other ISPs offerings.

If BTs product does genuiningly only throttle the likes of bit torrent and not other internet traffic, it may turn out to be ideal for my business at a competitive price point. I will be keeping an eye out to see if these announcements made come true and also what others think of the service. Ill probably end up finding out if anything gets throttled from other businesses i deal with, if a few have no issues sending their files via FTP when we do business then ill probably sign up

Personally id like ofcom to step in and make it compulsory that every internet provider or service clearly advertises any type of traffic tinkering they do in detail. Plusnet seem to do this, so theres no reason others cant, especially BT as (unless im wrong) they own Plusnet.

I mean come on its 2010 either make ISPs fess up to what tinkering they intend to do in detail or if they refuse ban silly traffic shaping etc altogether and enforce net neutrality for them all. We are the paying customer, we deserve to know what we get or dont get for our money.