In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

I am now going to attempt to be more pedantic than yourself, which is a tall order

Nice one . Made me chuckle. However I don't acceptthe criticism implicit in "Digital can mean many things, VOIP is a digital protocol, so is DECT wi-fi but completely different so I cannot agree with your statement that the N300 .....

converts it back to digital

Converting back implies returning to a previous state or situation which is not happening, the phone is converting analog signals to DECT wi-fi not to VoIP protocol which to me seemed to be what you were suggesting".

No, I wasn't. I meant precisely what I said, a conversion from the DC <> analogue <> digital. Nothing to do with the protocols. The N300 can handle the Viopfone VOIP protocol and presumably therefore the DV one. (Though I have a vague recollection from last year of reading that DV does not use any of the industry standard protocols?).

It seems that the reason for DV being locked down is to meet Government Security rules as it will be a replacement for the copper PSTN service.

Hmmmm. I believe you, but that simply demonstrates only a restricted understanding of the topic by whoever decreed that.

Particularly given my earlier (rather convoluted and I had trouble explaining) point about the use or non-use of PPP passwords on BT Hubs.

Have a look at this very long thread where the DV VoIP credential security is discussed and a convoluted method to use a different router but still have DV is described.

Smart Hub DV

Maybe, maybe not. I'm still a bit yuk from being here so late this (just) morning !

Yes, I put a link to the thread in my latest reply to RobertoS, by using an encrypted server BT have made it very difficult to obtain the registration details.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

I expect BT have locked the VoIP registration down because a large proportion of users would get it wrong or change things that cause problems giving support staff a nightmare.

The BT VOIP system is a bit more secure than a normal VOIP service. There was a recent thread about a complex procedure to use other equipment.

That doesn't make the VOIP any more secure.

90% of the complex procedure shown in that thread was to hide the user credentials from the user and was nothing to do secure VOIP.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

90% of the complex procedure shown in that thread was to hide the user credentials from the user and was nothing to do secure VOIP.

My guess is that BT have done this to reduce their support costs, and stop customers using their own VoIP ATA or handset. Similar idea to ISPs forcing use of their own routers, it reduces the costs of the support organisation.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

90% of the complex procedure shown in that thread was to hide the user credentials from the user and was nothing to do secure VOIP.

My guess is that BT have done this to reduce their support costs, and stop customers using their own VoIP ATA or handset. Similar idea to ISPs forcing use of their own routers, it reduces the costs of the support organisation.

I can appreciate that with residential or consumer users, but with business it drives companies to either use all BT Cloud Voice services with BT equipment or put all of their services with another provider. Many medium size businesses will look to have 2 or more VoIP providers - cost and resilience with their own equipment. By restricting business users BT are effectively cutting off a revenue stream

In reply to a post by MHC:

I can appreciate that with residential or consumer users, but with business it drives companies to either use all BT Cloud Voice services with BT equipment or put all of their services with another provider. Many medium size businesses will look to have 2 or more VoIP providers - cost and resilience with their own equipment. By restricting business users BT are effectively cutting off a revenue stream

I thought Business customers used different hardware to Retail / Domestic customers? If business is also restricted, perhaps this is in an attempt to offer a Quality of Service. Maybe to ensure if the data service is saturated out that the voice doesn't glitch.

Of course nothing to stop anyone using a third party VoIP company, but at this point QoS is all the customers problem.

It is different hardware, original Smart Hub (not v2) and a Yealink W60B base for small businesses - or other alternates. They are fully locked down and I have not managed to find a way in and nothing on the web either. They do provide decent support for it - but would be nice to have access to the set-up data whilst acknowledging responsibility for any problems.

I am pleased to report that the N300 can be connected to the pstn port on the SH2 and it functions as expected...

Digital Voice presented as fixed line on the Gigaset handset

VOIP lines presented on the Gigaset handset as expected

Even a BT digital phone works without conflict albeit and as expected for the BT Digital Voice line only.

Why did you have a doubts? It is behaving exactly as it should.

Edited by Realalemadrid (Tue 08-Jun-21 08:29:28)

Experience has increased tendency to be suspicious exacerbated by no reference to hardware other than a “phone”.