Which ST585

I think i have decided to go for the speedtouch 585 router, i just wanna know something before i buy one, i've been looking on ebay and some descriptions are speedtouch 585(i) v6 and some are speedtouch 585 v6 is that just a description error or are there two types and which one is the best to go for in the 585 range as there is even just a speedtouch 585 on here, so confusing?.

Edited by deleted (Mon 02-Apr-07 02:09:46)

http://www.dsldepot.co.uk/product_details.asp?idProduct=852
Thomson SpeedTouch 585v5 54M Wireless ADSL2+ Router

Edited by LadFromWales85 (Mon 02-Apr-07 02:56:25)

If you look on ebay there are these ones, also what is the difference between that v5 one and the v6 ones as that is a big difference in price and i am about to buy one of these routers?.

Speedtouch 585(i) v6
Speedtouch 585 v6
Speedtouch 585


Isn't this the same as the 50 quid one you have just showed me in that link?
http://www.dsldepot.co.uk/product_details.asp?idProduct=851

Edited by deleted (Mon 02-Apr-07 03:49:36)

Anyone got a reply?.

I'll have a go, Tommy

I think you have two basic ST585's

version 5 and version 6

I suspect there are differences in the chipsets, and it may be that the latest firmware upgrades will only work with version 6 (not sure though)

I don't think the (i) in ST585(i) actually means anything, ie., it is not a different model.

Happy for others more knowledgable to contradict me!

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Isn't this the same as the 50 quid one you have just showed me in that link?
http://www.dsldepot.co.uk/product_details.asp?idProduct=851

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Yes, it is the same as the

There is some bad advice or incorrect comments in some of the other posts.

The (i) is VERY significant. It indicates that the ST585 is the ISDN variant . There are two models, one for use on the UK's analogue systems and one which operates on ISDN lines - which is not available in the UK.

You need to ensure you do not get the wrong one - although most UK suppliers will not normally stock the (i) version.

Download and read the installation guide from here

585i is the ISDN variant. 585 is the POTS variant.

The boxes say 585(i) - note the brackets - because they use the same boxes for both variants (as well as for the manuals etc.). There should be a sticker on the box saying what is actually inside (585 or 585i)

Edited by deleted (Mon 02-Apr-07 13:33:07)

Didn't notice that one there! I'd have not mentioned the DSL-Source one if I did...tempted to buy one myself as everyone says its so good, though I'd probably just use it for PPPoA-PPTP relay

Why is that ST585 v6 so cheaper than the other one then, is it damaged or summat?.

I'll make sure i go for the ST585 v6 just incase the (i) is the ISDN one as some people in this discussion said it's no different but to make sure i'll go for the one without the (i).

Edited by deleted (Mon 02-Apr-07 15:28:18)

DSLDepot and DSLSource are both the same company.

DSLDepot sells B-Grade, Used, and Discontinued kit. What that means is that the products you purchase from them may have been shop soiled, purchased and then returned (sometimes unwanted, unused), or even just a product that has come to the end of its line and replaced by something else.

It's up to you really...Spend

Felt I should respond to this. The information I gave was not wrong, as far as I can see.

A detailed search of the Speedtouch site produces only one Speedtouch 585 v.6. Sometimes it is called the 585, sometimes 585(i). (eg., the datasheet from which this spec. is copied says 585(i), but is 585 in the URL).

It is not an either or situation, ie., one does POTS, the other ISDN. The one router does both, as the specification listed below shows.

http://www.speedtouch.com/pdf/datasheet585_R53.pdf

Hardware specifications

I think it's also worth mentioning that the warranty on B-grade is only 28 days.

Taken from a 585v6 installation manual:

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DSL variants
The Thomson Gateway comes in two ADSL variants:
> POTS: The Thomson ST585(v6) connects to an analogue Plain Old Telephone Service (POTS) line.
> ISDN: The Thomson ST585(v6)i connects to an Integrated Service Digital Network (ISDN) line, enabling
residences with an ISDN line to use the ADSL service.
You can easily identify your variant by checking the product name printed on the label on the bottom of your
Thomson Gateway.
! Do not remove or cover the label.
The ... variant supports ...
POTS ....ADSL
.............ADSL2
.............ADSL2+
.............RE-ADSL
ISDN .....ADSL
.............ADSL2
.............ADSL2+
! Only use the Thomson Gateway variant which is appropriate for the DSL service provided to your
premises.

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Which clearly states there are two variants - only one of which will work on a UK system. There will be significant difference in the actual interface.

Just do not buy a v5.

This version was effectively declared obsolete within Thomson as soon as the v6 was produced, and there have been no firmware updates since v5.4.4 in April last year. In May the v5 was still being sold in the UK as the current product.

This means that there will be no further updates to the firmware, e.g. to fix the digest authentication problem with IE7 or to take advantage of improved handling of poor lines. Both these have been delivered for the v6.

You might like to try asking Thomson SpeedTouch Support whether they will update the v5 firmware, but if you can actually persuade them to answer the question you are a better man than I am... They simply ignore the question or do not reply at all. We can only assume not.

JPL

But the only real difference with the items that UK ebay sellers seem to have is the fact that the box says (i) and they put that in the description. My Speedtouch box says (i) but my v6 works fine. You'll probably find that in practice 585's for the UK market are put in the same boxes as the (i) version.

If you want to buy from eBay why not ask:-

"Does this modem/router work on a normal telephone line with a standard ADSL service not an ISDN line?"

If the answer is "Yes" and when you receive the goods that is not the case you can claim a full refund as the goods are not as described.

That isn't the e-bay service I have experienced. Make sure you get any such assurances in e-mail or text form.

I have many times used "Ask seller a question". You then have the answer "in writing" verifiable by eBay if necessary.

I once bought some mapping software e-bay listed as suitable for PalmOS and WIndows Mobile PDAs. My specific PalmOS device was listed as compatible. What I received was only suitable for Windows Mobile PDAs. I complained and the e-bay vendor refused to compensate me because I should have known it wasn't suitable for PalmOS devices! I only got my money back by claiming through PayPal.

So you got your money back. Why do you think PayPal refunded it? Dare I suggest it was due to a false description. I am suggesting that the poster explicitly asks, the responsibility then lies with the seller.

I got my money back because I paid by PayPal and the vendor didn't respond to the PayPal complaints procedure. If I had paid by any other method I might have been left in the lurch. There are a LOT of shady characters on e-bay - it is too easy to take money and run. I wouldn't trust any private seller who seems to be running a business with the volumes sold.

I agree that the vendor should ask. In practice I don't think it counts for much with private sellers on e-bay.

edited for typo.

Edited by deleted (Tue 03-Apr-07 19:35:27)

the price difference is because one is B grade and the other isnt.

looks like they ran out of stock with the V6s because they were under

Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 03-Apr-07 19:36:22)

Even if it is b grade is it still the same router if you went and bought a ST585 v6 brand new, also did you say that the DSLDepot website was out of stock of them now?.

I purchased a b-grade 585 V6 from dsldepot back in February month. Came in original Speedtouch box. Looks brand new the only thing different came with an OEM power supply. Can only get 2Gb on my line due to distance but since replacing my old generic router my line connection is very stable.

The website still showing them in stock but don

Edited by tonic (Tue 03-Apr-07 21:09:35)

yes is the same router as the new V6. The only difference appears to be some people report the 585v6 used to come with a stand I didnt get a stand but that doesnt bother me at all.

you correct, they appeared to have added it now.

Anyone who wants to know which to get order this one.

http://www.dsldepot.co.uk/product_details.asp?idProduct=851

It was on their site yesterday - I ordered one....

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Can only get 2Gb on my line due to distance but since replacing my old generic router my line connection is very stable.

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What the hell kind of router did they send you, and where can i get one.. if only eh?

Highlander.