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Hi
We live in Leeds and are connected to the Hunslet exchange where at the moment there are no plans that I can see to upgrade to fibre.
We do not connect via a cabinet but connect directly to the exchange which is 2km away.
My question is if and when Hunslet becomes fibre enabled will I benefit and will I be moved to a cabinet?
Thanks
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2km without a cab is strange. How do you know that you are directly connected to the exchange?
Whether they would install a cab when there isnt one at the moment would depend on the number of potential connections but I wouldnt hold your breath!
Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
Now with BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload! Never happier!
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2km without a cab is strange. How do you know that you are directly connected to the exchange?
Whether they would install a cab when there isnt one at the moment would depend on the number of potential connections but I wouldnt hold your breath!
Numerous BT engineers have told me we have a direct connection.
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where about are you. We are on Hunslet as well on the NFV estate and its so slow - do miss cable broadband 
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Virgin media is enabled in that area (50mbps)
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2km without a cab is strange. How do you know that you are directly connected to the exchange?
Whether they would install a cab when there isnt one at the moment would depend on the number of potential connections but I wouldnt hold your breath!
Not strange really.
Many rural areas have lines many many kilometres longer with no cabinets.
Exchange only areas in cities can often have very long lines, and no cabinet involved. Depends on this historical routing.
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Virgin media is enabled in that area (50mbps)
not to all areas we are LS10 4G*
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Just this minute had FTTC installed. His tool said my line was 1090M long. I'm currently syncing around 34Mbs down and 10 up. I'm very happy indeed. I was only predicted 8Mbs. The speed tests aren't working for me at the moment.
Edited by deleted (Wed 06-Jul-11 12:22:41)
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It can take a day or so for the BT tester to have access to the updated data set. Try first thing tomorrow and it should work.
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Excellent! 
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My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - IDNet Home Starter Fibre. Live BQM.
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I've had the connection a few days now, Its slowed down a little.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/1377770420.png
Edited by deleted (Sat 09-Jul-11 08:17:59)
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I live in LS10 4G* too... we max out at 1.5mb..
It's really frustrating that we only live a few miles from Leeds City Centre and we get such slow broadband!!
I live on the New Forest Village Estate where the're building over 1000 new homes. I contacted Virgins cable my street helpdesk before we moved and they said they'd see if the estate was on their list... However as expected they have no plans to expand.
It annoys me that BT seem to only want to roll out FTTC/FTTH in areas where there is direct competition with virgin! Come on BT help out the people who are stuck on copper lines that Virgin won't serve!!!!
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
No Virgin cable hear (50,000+ people in town and nobody even bid for the cable contract when OFcom advertised it).
BT are rolling out FTTC now. Cabinets are all in, look to be having the final bits done inside (small works - single bloke with a small van is going round the cabinets this week).
All gets enabled (hopefully) in September.
So BT aren't only interested in Virgin enabled areas. They're doing possibly 10 exchanges in the county at the moment (almost none of which have cable TV).
It looks like you're on the Hunslet exchange (which serves around 28,000 lines - so about 1/3rd bigger than our exchange).
I find it doubtful you'll be left out completely (given the size of the exchange), so it's just a waiting game.
Maybe a campaign to your local MP?
Ade
ADSL2+ with BE
DL Sync around 4.8Mbps
UL Sync 1088kbps
DG834GT with DGTeam firmware
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
No Virgin competition here either - I'm in a village outside a town that is served by Virgin cable; the village is not but is on the same exchange. Despite this, and to my surprise, an FTTC cabinet has been provided in the village, which has increased my speeds from around 3Mb to nearly 40.
Kevin
plusnet Value Fibre
Using OpenDNS
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Good news!!! There is now a date for Hunslet getting FTTC enabled! Apparently one of my Neighbours has been quoted February Next year!, not long now!
Check out the openreach site and put in your postcode http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/
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This is still irrelevent if you are not fed from a cabinet. E.g. when BT say they are enabling the exchange for FTTC, that really means they will be upgrading cabinets in that area to support FTTC from the exchange, but if you are directly fed FTTC is not available as you are not connected to an FTTC cab
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Hi homer79,
Just this minute had FTTC installed. His tool said my line was 1090M long. I'm currently syncing around 34Mbs down and 10 up. I'm very happy indeed. I was only predicted 8Mbs. The speed tests aren't working for me at the moment.
I see from your later post that your download speeds dropped to 28 Mb after a few days.
What sort of speeds are you now achieving after a few months of use, have you experienced connection speed/stability issues, & have you unlocked the modem in order to obtain detailed connection stats?
The reason I am asking is because I am supposedly a very similar distance from the cabinet as you are.
On installation, the engineer told that my sync speed was 35 Mb.
He didn't mention the line's length though, & regrettably, I didn't ask!
This was confirmed by me achieving steady 32 Mb - 33 Mb actual download speeds for the first month.
"Something" was done by BT a month in, which left me with no phone or broadband at all for 4 days.
Since they were reconnected, I have endured many disconnections, really low speeds (7 Mb on occasions), many engineer visits, even though my ISP & BT stated my connection, (when remotely tested) was O.K. (LTOK) & that I might have to pay BT's extortionate charges if no faults could be found etc. etc. etc..
Each time an engineer visited, THE "fault" was supposedly found & fixed, but each engineer REFUSED to retest the line for any further faults.
The latest engineer (in mid-November) replaced some overhead external cabling, & stability appeared to have been regained, although speeds were still low.
He told me that before he replaced the cabling, my line length was being reported as 1000m, & after he replaced it, it was being reported as 900m (to the pole across the road from my house).
He wouldn't tell me what length was being reported at my master socket.
Download speeds crept up to 27 Mb for a few days, but many, many FEC, CRC, HEC type connection errors were seen.
Eventually, the connection gave up & re-synced at a lower speed again, added interleaving, & resulted in downloads now in the the low 20's Mb.
The connection errors have reduced, but I am still some 10 Mb to 12 Mb short of my initial speeds.
When others have been switched over from our original 8c profile to the new 17a profile, they have ALL seen a download speed improvement, with some seeing a slight reduction in upload speeds.
I can't say that I saw any real improvement at all.
If anything, I would say my error counts have increased.
I didn't really log them prior to the switch, as they didn't look too bad, but I now monitor them regularly.
How did the profile switch affect your connection's speeds / stability?
FYI, these are my current basic connection stats. You will see that my connection's attenuation is that high, that I don't get anything at all from the higher 17a frequency U2 & D3 bands.
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67
89
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1415
1617
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2021
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86 | # xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY statusStatus: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0Max: Upstream rate = 6015 Kbps, Downstream rate = 31856 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 5952 Kbps, Downstream rate = 27131 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band PlanUS: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3939) Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) DS: (32,859) (1216,1963)
VDSL Port Details Upstream DownstreamAttainable Net Data Rate: 6015 kbps 31856 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power: 6.3 dBm 12.3 dBm============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3 Line Attenuation(dB): 8.3 52.8 64.1 N/A 21.6 63.0 0.1
Signal Attenuation(dB): 14.8 52.0 N/A N/A 21.6 63.0 N/A SNR Margin(dB): 6.1 6.3 N/A N/A 3.8 3.7 N/A
TX Power(dBm): -4.2 5.8 N/A N/A 10.9 6.6 N/A #
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex BVDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM ModeTrellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No DefectTraining Status: Showtime
Down UpSNR (dB): 3.7 6.3
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0Pwr(dBm): 12.3 6.3
VDSL2 framing Path 0
B: 31 175M: 1 1
T: 64 40R: 12 12
S: 0.0375 0.9382L: 9381 1603
D: 1739 1I: 44 94
N: 44 188 Counters
Path 0OHF: 44978710 1243232
OHFErr: 547 114RS: 92052483 1908977
RSCorr: 7547766 2133RSUnCorr: 15538 0
Path 0
HEC: 2489 0OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0Total Cells: 4181551421 0
Data Cells: 23128249 0Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0
ES: 71 105SES: 0 0
UAS: 21 21AS: 162657
Path 0
INP: 8.50 0.00PER: 3.60 9.38
delay: 16.00 0.00OR: 53.30 27.28
Bitswap: 75486 2823
Since Link time = 1 days 21 hours 10 min 55 secFEC: 7547766 2133
CRC: 547 114ES: 71 105
SES: 0 0UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0LOF: 0 0
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Graphs for the above stats
Your stats/details MAY give me something to work with as a comparison to urge my ISP / BT into some action to get this resolved once & for all (unless you too have suffered such a large & ongoing speed / stability reduction).
BTW, my pre-install estimated speed was 14.6 Mb (so POSSIBLY a little closer to the cabinet than you are in reality), & since the switch to 17a it has become 24 Mb for my phone No.
Finally, for curiosity, who is your ISP? Mine is Plusnet.
Paul.
EDIT:-
I have sent your brother my contact details in a PM if you fancied sending me any PuTTy or Plink logs for your own connection to graph / examine / compare stats against mine etc.
Edited by deleted (Sat 17-Dec-11 09:47:18)
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Hi,
Since the switch to 17a my upload speed has done pretty much the same thing with the upload speed.
so on longer lines, it seems that its not such a good thing.
I can't tell you the exact stats as my brother has my spare modded modem at the moment.
The odd thing is that i've put an older modem on the line and it seems to be giving alot better speeds.
But it runs alot hotter than the other one.
I'm intending to put a bigger heatsink on my modem with some thermal epoxy and see if that helps things.
When I get the modem back i'll report back the current line stats.
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Thanks homer79,
Any info is useful, especially yours as you seem to have a similar connection to mine i.e. NOT close to the cabinet.
The opposite worked for me though.
I was using an old SP10 spare modem (not version 2B) for gathering my stats, keeping my 2B in its virgin as delivered state.
My connection was doing reasonably well for a while, but then re-synced at a lower speed following loads of errors.
(The modem never got any more than what I would describe as slightly warm though).
I flashed the 2B & connected it up.
Speeds went up a little.
It may just have been the act of forcing a re-sync that gave us both the increased speeds.
DLM seems to lower speeds immediately there is a problem, but takes days & days to increase them again once the connection is stable again (if at all).
I have found that an occasional re-sync/reboot has been needed to force speed improvements.
Is your older, currently being used modem SP06, or SP10?
I believe it was the SP06 version that ran especially hot.
FYI, this is today's speed test:-
Speedtest
What sort of speeds are you currently "enjoying"?
Paul.
Edited by deleted (Sat 17-Dec-11 12:21:32)
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Well I was told I would only get 8mb as I'm 1000m from the cab, when it was first installed I synced at 26mb then it slowed to around 21mb for a few months, I got switched to 17a about four weeks ago and now I'm syncing at 35mb so a massive improvement for me.
During the day my max attainable rate goes upto 44 meg but around 6ish that drops to about 37, and then I start to get loads of errors but the line holds.
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
During the day my max attainable rate goes upto 44 meg but around 6ish that drops to about 37, and then I start to get loads of errors but the line holds.
Was that your comment homer79, or someone else?
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
During the day my max attainable rate goes upto 44 meg but around 6ish that drops to about 37, and then I start to get loads of errors but the line holds.
Was that your comment homer79, or someone else?
Sorry that was me never realised I wasn't logged in.
Edited by deleted (Sat 17-Dec-11 14:06:52)
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HI Cottee55,
Sorry that was me never realised I wasn't logged in.
Do you have any stats or graphs from before & after the profile switch?
I'm trying to prove to my ISP that there MUST be a problem on my connection that wasn't present when FTTC was first installed, & any evidence from other users with similar D-side line lengths may assist me in proving it.
If you have some stats, but no graphs, I could graph them for you if you wanted to send me your contact details via a PM.
Paul.
Edited by deleted (Sat 17-Dec-11 12:35:32)
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All I have is from day one before it started to slow down to 21ish meg, and one from today hope these help you in some way.
Day one
# /bin/xdslcmd info --pbParams
/bin/xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 2
Max: Upstream rate = 13183 Kbps, Downstream rate = 30872 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 1997 Kbps, Downstream rate = 26566 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (696,1183)
DS: (32,687) (1192,1627)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (696,1183)
DS: (32,687) (1192,1627)
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate: 13183 kbps 30872 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power: 2.1 dBm 10.1 dBm
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 6.5 39.8 N/A N/A 17.2 51.9 N/A
Signal Attenuation(dB): 9.8 38.7 N/A N/A 17.2 51.9 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 24.9 24.4 N/A N/A 6.3 6.3 N/A
TX Power(dBm): -9.6 1.8 N/A N/A 9.3 2.6 N/A
# /bin/xdslcmd info --pbParams
/bin/xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 2
Max: Upstream rate = 13171 Kbps, Downstream rate = 30784 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 1997 Kbps, Downstream rate = 26566 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (696,1183)
DS: (32,687) (1192,1627)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (696,1183)
DS: (32,687) (1192,1627)
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate: 13171 kbps 30784 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power: 2.1 dBm 10.1 dBm
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 6.5 39.8 N/A N/A 17.2 51.9 N/A
Signal Attenuation(dB): 9.8 38.7 N/A N/A 17.2 51.9 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 25.1 24.4 N/A N/A 6.2 6.2 N/A
TX Power(dBm): -9.6 1.8 N/A N/A 9.3 2.6 N/A
And this one is from today
xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 7229 Kbps, Downstream rate = 42480 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 1999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 35719 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3939)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963)
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate: 7229 kbps 42480 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power: - 2.5 dBm 12.5 dBm
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 6.3 42.0 63.6 N/A 18.0 53.1 0.1
Signal Attenuation(dB): 8.0 41.4 N/A N/A 18.0 53.1 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 24.3 24.3 N/A N/A 6.4 6.5 N/A
TX Power(dBm): -12.6 -2.9 N/A N/A 10.9 7.7 N/A
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Thanks Cottee55,
What it does show me is:-
For both of us, our attenuation levels haven't changed that much following the switch to the 17a profile.
Your attenuation levels were/are are lower than mine for both 8c (after I started logging mine) & 17a from the outset.
Your 8c initial speeds were lower than my initial 8c speeds, but ended up being better than mine, after mine had had deteriorated badly.
Neither of us get anything from the higher frequencies (D3) that were introduced with 17a, yet you are now able to sync at 35719 K with an attainablke rate of 42480 K (& above) & I can only sync at 27131 K, with an attainable rate of currently 32012 K.
Mine recently peaked at a sync speed of 29527 K, attainable rate of 34988 K but that was the best it has been since I started logging things in July (after my problems started) & DLM only tolerated it for a few days before dropping my speed to what it is now, following loads of errors.
I have no real evidence that my Sync speed was ever around 35 Mb, with actual downloads at 32 Mb - 33 Mb (other than a couple of speed tests), or that my attenuation levels MUST have been lower than yours at one time to have ever achieved those speeds on the 8c profile.
What it does seem to prove is that for supposed similar D-side lengths, your connection is currently performing much better than mine.
It also seems to prove that for me to have EVER achieved higher speeds on the 8c profile than you, I must either live quite a bit closer to my cabinet than you do to yours, OR that "something" has increased attenuation levels on my connection, & thus reducing my sync/download speeds.
I may end up getting nowhere with this, but thanks for providing me with something to work with.
This thread may even be of some use to other users who are either experiencing problems, or are just curious as to how they should reasonably expect FTTC connections to perform over longer distances.
If I get enough details from different users, I will produce a "typical" speed vs distance chart/graph as that is one thing that I have not found, despite many hours of searching.
The only charts I have managed to track down have all been for connections starting at 60 Mb, 80 Mb, or 100 Mb, so not reallly relevant for BT's "up to" 40 Mb service.
If you ever got round to obtainining the relevant details in a single PuTTy log, I could graph your connection so that you could "see" what it looks like, but I imagine you are quite happy with your connection speeds at this time anyway.
The relevant commands are:-
xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd info --linediag
xdslcmd info --Bits
xdslcmd info --show
xdslcmd info --stats
Paul.
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Paul I'm more than 1000m from cabinet and this is my best result!
http://speedtest.net/result/1593289588.png
James
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Hi James8282,
Paul I'm more than 1000m from cabinet and this is my best result!
http://speedtest.net/result/1593289588.png
James
Is that a fairly typical speed?
Although I solidly managed over 30 Mb for the first month on the 8c profile, Plusnet classed it as a "fluctuation" as my connection demonstrates that it cannot sustain anything higher than around 25 Mb sync speed.
I consider that it demonstrated that it could sustain the higher speeds, until BT did something that caused me to lose all services for a few days & then supposedly repaired it.
Paul.
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Hi,
I am approx 1.3 miles from cabinet (2100m) and this is my result;
http://speedtest.net/result/1656875792.png
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It ranges between about 30-33 Wifi and about 35 when using the cable. BT speed test says the Max is 38717. It doesen't seem to go above 35 anymore. On the old 8c profile we used to get a solid 28-29meg from the install date, it didn't change even in the first 10days!
James
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
Seems your neighbour was given some duff gen . Mid March, no activation date set yet, still shows as a future exchange for 2012 (sometime).
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Hunslet is due September 2012, if you're in New Forest Village you're out of luck - see the NFV Facebook page for more.
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Where is the New Forset Village? Looked on the FB page and couldn't see any info. Is it the new development down by the St George's centre?
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Where is the New Forset Village? Looked on the FB page and couldn't see any info. Is it the new development down by the St George's centre?
Yep.
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I can't find any info on facebook, can anyone enlighten me as to what the issue is with fibre coming to the New Forest Village? Speeds here are awful.
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I have seen a new fibre cabinet along Dewsbuy Road (near Tommy Wass) in preparation for Hunslet being enabled, they just want to put a few cabinest up in Middleton!!
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They have a webpage too. It seems that cabinets in the Middleton area to be included in the fibre roll out are going to be down that sort of way. The current information published says:
No plans to roll out fibre
Blenkinsop Way, Boulevard Rise, Fenton gate, Fenton Place, New Forest Way, Orrell Frove, Salamanca Cresecent, The Laurels, The Oaks, Topliss Way, Twentyman Walk, Waggon Road, Willowdale, Woodland Drive
However the following streets will receive fibre optic broadband.
Burnshaw Mews, Hillthorpe Court, Markington Mews, Markington Place, Martingdale Drive, , Braham Park Court, Burghley Mews, Bursnhaw Mews, Chepstow Drive, Glade Walk, Goodwood, Ledbury Close, Ledbury Croft, Ledbury Drive, Ledbury Green, Markington Place, Martingdale Drive, Middleham Moor, Murray Ave, Murray Drive, Murray Way, Pelham Court, The Canter, Thirsk Grove, Worcester Ave, Worcester Drive
Some residents of Blenkinsop Way � Some of your lines will be switched on
Some residents of Hillthorpe Court - Awaiting confirmation on missing data
Some residents of Ledbury Green � Some of your lines will be switched on
Some residents of Markington Mews - Awaiting confirmation on missing data
Some residents of Murray View - Awaiting confirmation on missing data
Some residents of New Forest Way � Some of your lines will be switched on
Some residents of Salamanca Crescent � Some of your lines will be switched on
Some residents of Sharp House Road � Some of your lines will be switched on
Some residents of Willowdale � Some of your lines will be switched on
Some residents of Woodland Drive � Some of your lines will be switched on
Of course, that doesn't help us up the other end!!
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