VDSL filters

Hi all,

I was just wondering if there is a diffrence between regular adsl microfilters and the ones that cam with my vdsl router.

Cheers

Nothing. The VDSL ones are faceplate filters, what technically, no difference.

None at all. Any filtered faceplate is also fine, instead of the clunky Openreach one.

Too slow Bob.

I typed a lot more than you though .

Thanks guys, it isent a nte install the cell pipe 7130 has just come with some regular looking filters in the box that's why I asked

In reply to a post by rooneyb:

Thanks guys, it isent a nte install the cell pipe 7130 has just come with some regular looking filters in the box that's why I asked

can i just ask are you with a digital region FTTC reseller or with a BT based FTTC provider just out of curiosity that's all.

Ash

Hi,

I've got with Digital Region via Origin Broadband I should be getting connect on Monday 40dl 10ul they have provided a Tenda Wireless N 150 and drl have provided the Cell Pipe 7130RG which is the 4 port with wireless but apparently only port 1 Is enabled for the service and no wifi from this device.

Cheers.......Aaron

In reply to a post by rooneyb:

Hi,

I've got with Digital Region via Origin Broadband I should be getting connect on Monday 40dl 10ul they have provided a Tenda Wireless N 150 and drl have provided the Cell Pipe 7130RG which is the 4 port with wireless but apparently only port 1 Is enabled for the service and no wifi from this device.

Cheers.......Aaron

hi

i thought so as soon as i saw Cell Pipe modem, All of the digital region providers just do it the same way as good old ADSL with external dangle filters or (faceplate if u do it your self) it only seams FTTC provided over BT lines change the faceplate mandatoryly.

My friends getting broadband from little big one on the DRN for the pure reason it can be done without an engineer visit to change the faceplate his dad is a very strict morngy grumpy person who wont alow an engineer out to change the faceplate lol.

enjoy the speeds i goto wait till december for FTTC to be activated lol

Ash

Edited by acpsd775 (Fri 18-Nov-11 22:29:03)

hey just wondering how your finding the connection now you'd had it for a day did everything go smoothly for you.

Ash

Hi,

Thanks for asking, it ok not as fast as i expected through im only getting around 10-20Mb down and 5-10 up. which i know i shouldent complain i just thought i would have got closer to 30-35Mb as im 0.4km from the cab.

I'm going to give it a few days to settle and hopefully it may improve.



Speedtest Results

In reply to a post by rooneyb:

Hi,

Thanks for asking, it ok not as fast as i expected through im only getting around 10-20Mb down and 5-10 up. which i know i shouldent complain i just thought i would have got closer to 30-35Mb as im 0.4km from the cab.

I'm going to give it a few days to settle and hopefully it may improve.



Speedtest Results

it may settle down after a few days not sure weather digital region have a training period or not are you using wireless by any change because that can affect speed a lot on faster connections i know from first hand experience how bad it can be even at full signal

Ash

Hi,

Hopefully they do have a training period and it will increase, i did cable a pc directly to the digital region modem and assign it the public ip just to test it was not wireless or anything else on my network causing a problem

Cheers for the idea though

In reply to a post by rooneyb:

Hi,

Hopefully they do have a training period and it will increase, i did cable a pc directly to the digital region modem and assign it the public ip just to test it was not wireless or anything else on my network causing a problem

Cheers for the idea though

Hmm hopfully its just traning then the ping is a little high for FTTC based broadband too i expect that to be way below 20 normally so ill say fingers crossed its training lol if after 10 days its still the same (slower speeds higher ping) give Origin a ring see if theres any probs.

What dose the Origin broadband post code checker say you shoud get.

Ash

Edited by acpsd775 (Tue 22-Nov-11 14:49:50)

Hi,

it show a lot higher than im getting see the screen grab.

Search Results within 1.3km:
DIN002
10Mbit/s 37Mbit/s
0.3 km
These results are estimated, more accurate speeds will require a site survey.

In reply to a post by rooneyb:

Hi,

it show a lot higher than im getting see the screen grab.

Search Results within 1.3km:
DIN002
10Mbit/s 37Mbit/s
0.3 km
These results are estimated, more accurate speeds will require a site survey.

yea i thought it would be something like that most digital region connections get above 25 estimates so its defo either a training period or a fault

have you trued it in the test socket behind the faceplate its always worth a try if that fails give them a quick buz and see what they say

Ash

Yeah tried that as well, all though it currently in via a BT iPlate i had one of these previously but i bought a new one and also a new face plate for the bottom half of the iPlate as the previous ones had been in quiet a while and i thought new one's wouldn't hurt. also the property where i live has only been built 5 year-ish and its all new cabling to the street thats why i expected higher speeds

In reply to a post by rooneyb:

Yeah tried that as well, all though it currently in via a BT iPlate i had one of these previously but i bought a new one and also a new face plate for the bottom half of the iPlate as the previous ones had been in quiet a while and i thought new one's wouldn't hurt. also the property where i live has only been built 5 year-ish and its all new cabling to the street thats why i expected higher speeds

hmm yea id also expect it think its defo best bed to call them and ask about any training if not there's a fault some were

Ash

In the same boat at the moment, was activated on tuesday and getting around 10 - 20meg . But on the speedtest every so often it can hit 36ish for a bit but not sustained.

i'm about 20meters from the CAB at the end of the road so was expecting nearer 40.

postcode checker details

Search Results within 1.3km:
WIC014
10Mbit/s 40Mbit/s
0 km
These results are estimated, more accurate speeds will require a site survey.

Edited by AgentWalker (Thu 24-Nov-11 13:05:22)

In reply to a post by AgentWalker:

In the same boat at the moment, was activated on tuesday and getting around 10 - 20meg . But on the speedtest every so often it can hit 36ish for a bit but not sustained.

i'm about 20meters from the CAB at the end of the road so was expecting nearer 40.

postcode checker details

Search Results within 1.3km:
WIC014
10Mbit/s 40Mbit/s
0 km
These results are estimated, more accurate speeds will require a site survey.

Cross both of the situations and im thinking defo some sort of training give it 10 days and then see if anything improved if not i think its best to ring the ISP and ash what's going on

Ash

On the subject of digital region, is there any way to set a DNS? As you probably know the cell pipe is locked down

Nothing stopping you choosing whatever DNS IP you want on the computers

In reply to a post by AgentWalker:

On the subject of digital region, is there any way to set a DNS? As you probably know the cell pipe is locked down

Urm TBH i don't actually have a digital region so not had a chance to look at the set up but considering it acts in a similar way to cable dose with the cellpipe been basically modem only mode with the sep router i think you set your custom DNS up in your cable router router, if you connect direct pc to cellpipe then change them in the windows networking.

Ash

sorted cheers guys

umm didn't seem to help at all.

Been testing things like youtube to test the streaming and at the moment its struggling to get anything more than 100k a second.

Just jumping from 60KB/s to 130KB/s a second

In reply to a post by AgentWalker:

umm didn't seem to help at all.

Been testing things like youtube to test the streaming and at the moment its struggling to get anything more than 100k a second.

Just jumping from 60KB/s to 130KB/s a second

TBH i find youtube has little to do with you ive got a 100meg wi VM and on yt it gets the same performance as my 8meg sky and 11meg TT i think its more there end with some vids than yours try something like BBC iplayer

Ash

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Nothing. The VDSL ones are faceplate filters, what technically, no difference.

My ADSLNation plate is going back on then

Did you try the youtube test video? Go to http://www.youtube.com/my_speed click "Show Test Video" and select 720p quality. It will show the streaming speed on the video but this being the test video it shouldn't be throttled by youtube like some videos are.

For reference I get the full 37.5Mbps from that video of Infinity. http://i44.tinypic.com/2zqvinb.jpg

Yep bit better using that was getting around 8-20meg randomly, nothing consistent.

Apparently its a known issue at the moment that the ISP is hoping to have sorted by Tuesday next week.

Edited by AgentWalker (Sat 26-Nov-11 20:08:13)

It should be more consistent than that, I'm guessing your max speed is higher than that aswell. Good to hear it should be sorted soon.

yep the speed is really random at the moment.

I'm about 20-30m from the Cab, can literally walk to it in less than 10 seconds.

i'd try a speedtest/newsgroup download and i'd be getting 37, leave it downloading and come back 3 mins later and it'll be around 20, few mins latter and it'll be around 8, then 17 etc.

For example, tried a number of speed test 10 mins ago and struggled to get 20. Tried now and get 38 consistently over several test I come back in a few mins and try again it'll be alot different.

I take it you guys when you download from say a decent source its 37 ish consistently ? no dips for a few seconds etc

Edited by AgentWalker (Sun 27-Nov-11 12:21:10)

In reply to a post by Alnath:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Nothing. The VDSL ones are faceplate filters, what technically, no difference.

My ADSLNation plate is going back on then

Please post how you get on, will be interesting to see what effect it has. (not sure if you can get your line stats - as it would be worth seeing the attainable rate for the line just before the changeover, in case the modem has been hanging onto a low sync, or maintaining a higher one despite worsening line conditions).

In reply to a post by cjbell68:

In reply to a post by Alnath:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Nothing. The VDSL ones are faceplate filters, what technically, no difference.

My ADSLNation plate is going back on then

Please post how you get on, will be interesting to see what effect it has. (not sure if you can get your line stats - as it would be worth seeing the attainable rate for the line just before the changeover, in case the modem has been hanging onto a low sync, or maintaining a higher one despite worsening line conditions).

This could go down in history as the latest reply ever but the HH5 has made it much easier to see the results of the faceplate swap.

I put the BT plate back on took the readings and put the ADSLNation one back on and the results were max attainable downstream is 3Mbit higher at 110Mbit and my max upstream went up by 1.5Mbit to nearly 32Mbit using the ADSLNation plate.

Not much use to me i guess but to someone with a sync under 40Mbit it might just squeeze a bit more out of the line for them.

In reply to a post by Alnath:

I put the BT plate back on took the readings and put the ADSLNation one back on and the results were max attainable downstream is 3Mbit higher at 110Mbit and my max upstream went up by 1.5Mbit to nearly 32Mbit using the ADSLNation plate.

That's interesting, I'm tempted to try my ADSLNation faceplate some time, which I kept (somewhere safe!) when my FTTC was installed.

Edited by kasg (Thu 02-Jan-14 11:45:39)

When I had my FTTC installed a couple of years ago, they left my ADSLNation plate on, didn't bother with an iPlate, all he did was check that the wiring was correct.

You don't mean an iPlate.

Oh hell, am I getting these [censored] plates mixed up again

and why is b l o o d y getting censored, it's in the Bible

Edited by The_Voyager (Sat 04-Jan-14 09:25:48)

Blame BT Group for the original inappropriate naming of the interstitial ring wire filter plate.

Because of the use the word gets put in modern day vernacular? Oh, and is it in the Bible? I agree it is in English translations but the Bible was not written in English and therefore the translations may not be entirely accurate - and the meaning of words changes over time and context.

Why do you need to use it at all? I agree it is very mild but even then you probably don't need to use it.

Perhaps he needs to clean the blood off of them. How did the blood get on them in the first place?

Screwdriver slipped.

Anyway, "hell" would be more censorable in my list .

Perhaps hell is ok as it is a fictional place

Getting blood on your hand is also fine if the screwdriver were to slip. But, that wasn't the way the original word was used or indeed the intention of it.

They are actual places as well, there is one near Trondheim in Norway which i have been through, and they have just announced on Telly that "Hell has frozen over" a town in Michigan

Anyway I think we have reached the end of this, some people use a lot worse words in every day use, I even once walked out of a meeting with a manager because he would not stop swearing even though I told him first, I don't class the word I used as swearing, and seeing as the word can be used legitimately in other contexts I was amazed that it was censored e.g:
WWI was a [censored] and bitter war.

EOT

Post deleted by Sadoldman

Edited by deleted (Wed 08-Jan-14 09:53:46)

It seems we have swapped the 'Filters' of the Subject, as ISPs constantly ask us to do. Did it improve the connection?

Well it doesn't seem to have improved my speed, but then again, I think only FTTP would do that