"Fibre broadband is here"

This is the wording on a notice that a colleague has reported just appearing on a couple of cabs here in Cheltenham. Does this indicate that they have gone live?

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SSCMN

Not sure what your point is. I monitor that all the time, and it still says RFS is Dec 1, even though it's past. I know that Infinity has reached Cheltenham - BT issued a Press Release to that effect a few days ago. My question relates to this particular notice that has appeared on some cabs. I haven't seen this mentioned before, so I was curious if anyone else had seen it, and if it means that that particular cab has gone live.

Is it BT-headed? Is it even a BT cabinet? This has never been reported here before, and sounds more like VM style than BT to me.

does it say sperfast openreach on the cab if it does it a branded cab and will be a live cab when exchnage is live and orderable

I can assure you Bob that these are not VM! Just checked with friend and he says they're on the FTTC cabs (which we've both been monitoring in the area).

The details confirmed:

'Fibre Broadband is here

superfast-openreach.co.uk'

and it's got an OpenReach logo banner across the top.

yes, I have seen drop cards and onsite advertising for 'superfast broadband' being issued by Openreach.

The Openreach Superfast Broadband micro site lists all the providers in an equivalent way as one would expect.

Curiously I notice some noticeable exceptions on the list. So I presume that some isps are reselling and it would be interesting to know who they are reselling.

Edited by deleted (Sat 10-Dec-11 21:26:02)

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

The Openreach Superfast Broadband micro site lists all the providers in an equivalent way as one would expect.

Curiously I notice some noticeable exceptions on the list. So I presume that some isps are reselling and it would be interesting to know who they are reselling.

Boring boring boring innuendo , and seemingly intended to obfuscate things! In fact, what what on earth has your post to do with this thread? Your troll persona needing a meal?

In the absence of any link from you, (I assume you are being deliberately unhelpful), I have found this page. If that is not the one to which you refer please give the correct link.

On that page I see a link to BT Broadband, who resell BT Wholesale, and Plusnet, another subsidiary of BT, also resellers of BT Wholesale. Plus a few others I believe to be doing the same.

The exception is TalkTalk, which is a true provider of Openreach GEA in its own right.

My conclusion is that BT Wholesale customers, and Openreach GEA customers, are invited to advertise with links on that page to their retail operations. Possibly being charged for the facility. Just like the many dubious sites such as uswitch, which to use one of your (normally incorrectly used) favourite denigratory terms, are mere "referral agents".

If you have any evidence whatsoever that the likes of Zen, IDNet, AAISP, Newnet and Entanet, to mention just the obvious ones, are not customers of BT Wholesale in exactly the same way as BT Broadband, Plusnet, Eclipse and all the others there apart from TalkTalk, please post it.

In the lingo of the not too far distant past, put up or shut up!

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 10-Dec-11 23:03:47)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

The Openreach Superfast Broadband micro site lists all the providers in an equivalent way as one would expect.

Curiously I notice some noticeable exceptions on the list. So I presume that some isps are reselling and it would be interesting to know who they are reselling.

Boring boring boring innuendo , and seemingly intended to obfuscate things! In fact, what what on earth has your post to do with this thread? Your troll persona needing a meal?

In the absence of any link from you, (I assume you are being deliberately unhelpful), I have found this page. If that is not the one to which you refer please give the correct link.

On that page I see a link to BT Broadband, who resell BT Wholesale, and Plusnet, another subsidiary of BT, also resellers of BT Wholesale. Plus a few others I believe to be doing the same.

The exception is TalkTalk, which is a true provider of Openreach GEA in its own right.

My conclusion is that BT Wholesale customers, and Openreach GEA customers, are invited to advertise with links on that page to their retail operations. Possibly being charged for the facility. Just like the many dubious sites such as uswitch, which to use one of your (normally incorrectly used) favourite denigratory terms, are mere "referral agents".

If you have any evidence whatsoever that the likes of Zen, IDNet, AAISP, Newnet and Entanet, to mention just the obvious ones, are not customers of BT Wholesale in exactly the same way as BT Broadband, Plusnet, Eclipse and all the others there apart from TalkTalk, please post it.

In the lingo of the not too far distant past, put up or shut up!

You appear to be flying off the handle on this. Possibly into the stratosphere.

If you go to http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/ you'll see the likes of Zen, Entanet, AAISP and co appearing in the bottom right display. If you go to the Business part of the site, and go to "buy it now" http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/for-business/bu... you'll see the full list. Including AAISP, Entanet, Zen.

Presumably the ISP gets to choose where they want to be displayed, and AAISP/Entanet/Zen are positioning themselves to business despite having "home" packages. (and let's face it, they're hardly as consumer oriented as the big boys).

Yep, seen them here in Shrewsbury too. The work on the cab in question appears finished ,but it isn't humming. Samknows has March 2012 as rfs for Shrewsbury. The wholesale checker doesn't mention fibre yet either. I think it's just an Openreach advertisement....

I have long complained that BT don't give out much believable information about cabinets coming into service where they come some days, weeks or months after the exchange itself.

If BT are going to start putting adverts onto the cabinets themselves, you'd have hoped that they would have added a date on there too!

In reply to a post by xysdfds:

You appear to be flying off the handle on this. Possibly into the stratosphere.

Yes. Sadly Roberto's NOU does seem to go MSO whenever anyone with clue posts. Either that or someone has peed in Roberto, the oracle of UK broadband's slippers.

Regrettably, I would expect Roberto's personal and non-factual attacks to result in a short holiday from the forums. As this kind of personal , off topic attack on fellow correspondents is clearly against forum rules.

I would ask the mods to go easy on Roberto's rants that are clearly against the boards rules as at least 20% of Roberto's posts are factual and offer help to punters,

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

If you have any evidence whatsoever that the likes of Zen, IDNet, AAISP, Newnet and Entanet, to mention just the obvious ones, are not customers of BT Wholesale in exactly the same way as BT Broadband, Plusnet, Eclipse and all the others there apart from TalkTalk, please post it.

Thanks for raising this. Now you come to mention it. Zen, AAISP, Newnet (Timico) and Entanet, amongst others, are mentioned on the Openreach micro site as 'buy it now' suppliers. Whereas IDNET are not.

Perhaps someone with links to IDnet could clear up why IDnet are not mentioned on the Openreach Micro Site as their absence from the list is curious and possibly unequivalent behaviour by Openreach or an oversight that Openreach will be eager to correct.

Edited by deleted (Sun 11-Dec-11 20:54:01)

Please supply a link to a list, as requested, and also a list of ISPs you suspect to be reselling someone else's service, (other than the known and declared resellers of Entanet, Be and TalkTalk), otherwise your original post's uselessness is confirmed. Apart from its first line it was totally off topic and gave no information to anyone. Impossible to know why you posted it. You don't seem to wish to justify it.

Openreach has many sites. You must have one specifically in mind, and it is you raised this off-topic issue with zero information provided by you. What for?

As for naming IDNet out of the, (I believe still over 100 other providers), you are just being ridiculous. Do you doubt they are a direct customer of BT Wholesale and Openreach like the few you have given us? Agenda please?

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

at least 20% of Roberto's posts are factual and offer help to punters

Compared to what percentage of your own I wonder... at a guess a single digit would suffice, with plenty of room for expansion.

I would also recommend that you provide links to back up your claims rather than relying on innuendo¹. Action has had to be taken in the past because of that habit of yours, and rest assured it will be taken again if you persist.

In other words RJ- watch it.




¹ Apart from in FC of course, where it's expected of you.

Edited by billford (Sun 11-Dec-11 23:49:42)

Absolutely perfectly valid points raised. Totally on-topic and talking about Openreach 'Fibre Broadband is here' marketing. As opposed to the personal attacks by Roberto and yourself.

The Openreach on-site advertising and drop cards are referring interested parties to a website that links to providers offering the service. It is a perfectly valid question to ask to why some 'providers' are not referenced.

It is very disappointing to see correspondents and particularly moderators try to stifle debate and threatening bans when correspondents ask valid questions.

I would advise punters to be extremely cautious of advice offered by Roberto and Billford as they not only have no industry experience, they may also have some kind of agenda.

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-Dec-11 21:07:25)

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

I would advise punters to be extremely cautious of advice offered by Roberto and Billford as they not only have no industry experience, they may also have some kind of agenda.

That's just earned you some time off to reflect on your general attitude towards posting on this bbs.

Amazing unfair considering Roberto's stance toward RJ. Heavy handed and double standards are obviously rife here.

Two full days after RJ's initial post, which cast unwarranted slurs on some unspecified ISPs because they do not appear on an unspecified list on an unspecified site, after having been asked at least twice for a link to the site he refers to and a list of the ISPs he considers dubious, he finally manages to say that the Openreach poster/card or whatever has a reference to a site. He still does not post it. I assume because it is of the kind I suggested in my first reply to him, paid-for adverts.

Pray find a reason for his not posting the link in the initial post. As it stands, it appears to have nothing to do with the thread.

Yes my response was perhaps a little OTT. Given his past form and history most people here would understand my reaction, but that is no excuse for me. Just a statement of why I reacted that way.

If you are newish around here, I suggest you check all his (non Free Chat) posts for the last year. If you are not, I suggest you log in and put your nick where your opinion is .

He is the one with the agenda.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 13-Dec-11 10:34:07)

These posters are put up in some areas to stir up interest in the FTTC product. Posters on these boards often forget that they are a little more 'clued up' about such things.

Openreach is just trying get the average Joe keen to ask their ISP if they can have an FTTC based service, therefore helping the long process of recouping some of it's investment.

Why some areas get these posters, and others don't I have no idea. Last time I saw them was back in March in Berkhamstead.

If I was in the know, I may suggest the posters are being put up in areas where take up is not great.

But I'm not, so I won't.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

These posters are put up in some areas to stir up interest in the FTTC product. Posters on these boards often forget that they are a little more 'clued up' about such things.

Openreach is just trying get the average Joe keen to ask their ISP if they can have an FTTC based service, therefore helping the long process of recouping some of it's investment.

Why some areas get these posters, and others don't I have no idea. Last time I saw them was back in March in Berkhamstead.

But these are on the actual FTTC cabs - and only some of them.

In reply to a post by chrisadsl:

But these are on the actual FTTC cabs - and only some of them.

That's to prove they can't afford to put them on all cabinets so need more subsidy.

Think you will find they need council approval to put advertising on, so only some areas will get these as some councils don't want "Fly posting" on streen furniture encouraged.

I would be interested in knowing whether it has any effect on take-up rates, but it has obviously been noticed by posters so has had some effect short term.

Always surprises me that some people complain (whinge) about slow speeds yet have FTTC available and haven't taken it up. Maybe this will help bring the availability to their notice.

Yes, it is OK to attach one's posters to one's own street furniture.

I believe the posters were given to staff to put up as and when....

If it's really bothering you guys so much, I could ask my old level 1 manager who was the lead on the initial roll out of this scheme.

It's this kind of public feud and subjective modding that typifies the change in atmosphere here that began some time ago. That led me to stop posting and helping others after years of doing so.

I came to check the Fibre info as my area will be FTTC in 2012, sad to see the forum still going rapidly downhill.

Happy Christmas one and all!

X-poster.

Two full days after RJ's initial post

Two full days is five days less than my posting rights were suspended for so I apologise for not being able to address your concerns.

Questions asked that are totally on topic are obviously not allowed when they pertain to some providers.

Although, curiously wholly inaccurate posts that suggest Openreach are working referrals, which are totally illegal are.

Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Dec-11 21:45:06)

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

so I apologise for not being able to address your concerns.

Well, you're here now RJ, and I'm sure Bob would agree that those links he requested would be better provided late than never...

Edited by billford (Fri 23-Dec-11 22:49:22)

I agree, there seems to be a little click where you can be as onboxious and as rude as you like and nothing will happen which is putting off people posting, myself included.

these displays on cabs ar not driven by ISP they are driven directly by Openreach in conjunction with local authorites advising that superfast is available and who it is avaialbe from

nothing more notthing lss

Re question of IDNET

IDnet are a reseller of BTW servcies and therefore do not have a diect relationship with Openreach (there are a subtantial number of ISP in this situation)

always cehck you ISP to see if it has direct relationsahip or is a reseller

IDnet are a reseller of BTW servcies and therefore do not have a diect relationship with Openreach

This is very dodgy ground on this forum. Questions asked of IDNET are frowned on for some unexplained reason.

However Anons are difficult to suspend posting rights.

Who are IDNET reselling, in your opinion?

Edited by deleted (Thu 29-Dec-11 20:28:00)

More innuendo... take some time to learn how to help members rather than pandering to your own obsessions.