FTTP Rollout...

I had given up checking the status of FTTP as I'm on the Ilford Central exchange in London and the now almost mythical Openreach spreadsheet said I was on a cabinet destined to have FTTP. Then I noticed this story about my exchange being one of the first that BT Retail was selling FTTP on (they call it Infinity Option 3). As usual the BT Wholesale Checker tells me that all I can get on my line is the 3-4Mb ADSL2+ I have. Has anyone actually got FTTP outside of Milton Keynes?

Thanks.

Ebbsfleet, it is all they can have, as no copper their I believe

Somewhere in North London too - Muswell Hill, I think.

So there is no evidence from anyone here that FTTP has been ordered on an exchange that this press release corresponds to...

I've written an email to BT asking if I can order this as the Infinity sales won't do anything if the checker says 'No'.

I believe several places in Cornwall have had customers provided on as has Chester.

Ilford shows as FTTC / FTTP and I believe only part of the exchange is covered, so your cab may be in line for FTTC later on or FTTP later on.

Most exchanges have only a proportion of the area covered in the first batch with further cabinets / areas covered later on.

Even in Bradwell Abbey they have still not covered the whole exchange and only a small part has got FTTP so far.

The checker is usually right if you used you Tel no, if it says no it means no, but it does update quickly when it becomes available. Keep checking on a weekly basis, but it will need patience or you get stressed.

Highams Park, can see a speedtest result that is clearly Infinity Option 3, non spotted for Ilford. Did see FTTC results in the Ilford area.

One problem is the Infinity Option 3 is the most expensive, so to date most that is seen is in Milton Keynes, which has a demographic that probably is more likely to buy into the new products

Many thanks for the responses. Time to be patient.

I got the details of the FTTP Team at BT Retail and got put through to a sales person who confirmed that my cab is destined for FTTP, but that it was not live yet and so would not be able to take an order. It appears that ducting work for FTTP may have been done on my cab (according to an Openreach Engineer who was fixing my ADSL this week) and so it's down to when FTTP is marked as available... I'll call them in a month to see if the situation has changed.

Edited by deleted (Fri 23-Dec-11 22:19:30)

FTTP does not need to go via the existing green cabinets, it may do so because of reuse of ducting, but it never needs access to the copper resources

Good to know, though living on a 6 year old new build I suspect the fibre will go very close to the cab as it's at the entrance.

Someone on the BT forums got FTTP from Ilford Central. My friend can also order FTTP, the BT infinity website says its available.

I was told by BT that FTTP is still in trial(which ends at the end of December) and should go live shortly after and I will be able to get it then. Do you live close to the exchange itself? It seems only lines near are in the catchment area so far.

So yeh, I say have a look in Jan, should be ready then.

Thanks for the info, good to know that the exchange has some FTTP clients. Did you talk to BT Infinity sales?

I understand that exchange connected lines would get access to FTTP first as these will have the shortest run of fibre. However those are also the people who have access to ADSL2+ at 15-20Mb already. I am over 4km from the exchange so I have no idea when BT OR will certify my cab as one where they will support running fibre. Arguably people like me will benefit more from the fibre rollout as our speeds should go up 20-30x whereas those close to the exchange will see an uplift of 3-5x.

Thanks again for the info.

It is certainly worth the wait!! Had it installed a few weeks back... still smiling, 110mbit roll on when they up it to 200/30

i dont think there will be FTTP any tuime soon unles it os on one of the 6 exchangs or in Bradwell Abbey -- The mythical spreadsheet was a FTTP/FTTC decisoning spreadhseet not a deployment splreadsheet (hence none deployed as yet as they may not be FTTC

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It is certainly worth the wait!! Had it installed a few weeks back... still smiling, 110mbit roll on when they up it to 200/30

Which exchange are you on for FTTP?

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It is certainly worth the wait!! Had it installed a few weeks back... still smiling, 110mbit roll on when they up it to 200/30

Which exchange are you on for FTTP?

Chester South

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It is certainly worth the wait!! Had it installed a few weeks back... still smiling, 110mbit roll on when they up it to 200/30

Which exchange are you on for FTTP?

Chester South

Thanks (Trying not to be jelous!)

I was offered a place on the trial in Highams Park by BT on 15th October and declined

This was well after a year the spreadsheet said it was ready for orders

I was put off by the BT sales patter and only having 2 months left for the trial to run

I would likely get the full speed

I think Muswell Hill might have been FTTC and there were a lot of issue over planning permission

It areas where both FTTC and FTTP is stated it will be one or the other, but not both

I'm seriously annoyed with the monkeys at Ilford Central. What on earth is going on? The fttp equipment was put up on the poles along my street last SUMMER and yet nothing in terms of go live has happened.

Well if any decision-maker from there sees your post, it isn't going to encourage them to move it forward .

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I'm seriously annoyed with the monkeys at Ilford Central. What on earth is going on? The fttp equipment was put up on the poles along my street last SUMMER and yet nothing in terms of go live has happened.

That's absolutely pathetic, write a complaint, there no excuse for that kind of delay.

Im worried FTTP is going to be a waste of time for most towns, here i see many areas have gotten cabs already yet not a single place has FTTP yet even though we're supposed to go live soon, how pathetic, half the town is waiting on FTTP which is meant to be the superior service yet no one will likely get it for a long time, i was looking forward to it thinking to be the lucky one but now i just wish they gave everyone FTTC, it's no good saying we're getting FTTP if we have to wait a year for it, they need to get their act together and stop neglecting FTTP!

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I'm seriously annoyed with the monkeys at Ilford Central. What on earth is going on? The fttp equipment was put up on the poles along my street last SUMMER and yet nothing in terms of go live has happened.

That's absolutely pathetic, write a complaint, there no excuse for that kind of delay.

Im worried FTTP is going to be a waste of time for most towns, here i see many areas have gotten cabs already yet not a single place has FTTP yet even though we're supposed to go live soon, how pathetic, half the town is waiting on FTTP which is meant to be the superior service yet no one will likely get it for a long time, i was looking forward to it thinking to be the lucky one but now i just wish they gave everyone FTTC, it's no good saying we're getting FTTP if we have to wait a year for it, they need to get their act together and stop neglecting FTTP!

It's probably a resource problems as much as time constraints to get some sort of fibre broadband to as many potential customers as possible and FTTC is much quicker to install. My area was supposed to the FTTP but with delays etc Openreach changed it to FTTC and now the RFS date has slipped again and it's now mixed FTTC/FTTP.

Openreach also reckon the average time it take to do one FTTP install is around 7 hours.

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I'm seriously annoyed with the monkeys at Ilford Central. What on earth is going on? The fttp equipment was put up on the poles along my street last SUMMER and yet nothing in terms of go live has happened.

That's absolutely pathetic, write a complaint, there no excuse for that kind of delay.

Im worried FTTP is going to be a waste of time for most towns, here i see many areas have gotten cabs already yet not a single place has FTTP yet even though we're supposed to go live soon, how pathetic, half the town is waiting on FTTP which is meant to be the superior service yet no one will likely get it for a long time, i was looking forward to it thinking to be the lucky one but now i just wish they gave everyone FTTC, it's no good saying we're getting FTTP if we have to wait a year for it, they need to get their act together and stop neglecting FTTP!

It's probably a resource problems as much as time constraints to get some sort of fibre broadband to as many potential customers as possible and FTTC is much quicker to install. My area was supposed to the FTTP but with delays etc Openreach changed it to FTTC and now the RFS date has slipped again and it's now mixed FTTC/FTTP.

Openreach also reckon the average time it take to do one FTTP install is around 7 hours.

They should at least install things equally, just because FTTC can be done quicker doesn't mean everyone else in an FTTP area should have to wait, i wouldn't have a problem if i knew they were working on both at the same time but it appears they focus completely on FTTC until it's complete and not much sign they're work as fast when FTTP is up to install, that's hardly fair is it?

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it appears they focus completely on FTTC until it's complete and not much sign they're work as fast when FTTP is up to install, that's hardly fair is it?

Sorry that didn't make much sense, what i meant was i suspect that once the FTTC install is complete, its likely that they won't rush to install FTTP, not because they're slow but because once the town is said to have fibre they can relax and do the rest on a relaxed timetable while openreach can claim the town has fibre.

Maybe the ISPs find there is a greater demand for FTTC, back to the discussion about what speeds people currently want.

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Maybe the ISPs find there is a greater demand for FTTC, back to the discussion about what speeds people currently want.

I don't care about more speed or what it travels over, id be more than happy with 40/10, the issue isn't about speed, the issue is why should openreach prioritise FTTC over FTTP and claim the town is active when it looks like it will be ages before thats true, im quite annoyed now, they should of gave everyone FTTC first if it's so much quicker to install, 40/10 or 80/20 will be plenty for a long time to come.

If anyone sees FTTP down for their postcode consider yourself unlucky instead, well thats if you wish to ever get it in a reasonable time, you'll be waiting until all the FTTC aeras are done and thne maybe, just maybe it will come but you won't know when because the checker don't even try to give you info, that's why it may as well say no fibre instead of FTTP.

Its a commerical rollout their funding, so its to OR timetable when their resources allow them to complete.
FTTC is the faster product to generate a return then FTTP is so you just have to wait like everyone else, its frustrating but their are plenty of areas still without a FTTC or FTTP date and dont forget the people on EO lines both short and long they have no upgrade plan yet announced by BT.

Perhaps Openreach should employ every unemployed person, just so I can have FTTP now.

Forget the costs, oh and I only want to pay £6.50 a month for it.

Business wise.. its madness to do ANY FTTP right now.

I'm just gutted to be moving from Northern Ireland on Infinity 40/10, to the centre of London and discovering my block of about 300 apartments is not eligible for infinity as it's cabled directly to the exchange, and too far away to get super fast ADSL2

not an overnight solution but might be worth giving hyperoptic a nudge

I've never even heard of those guys - I submitted a form to see if they can do something for me.

Thank you

OR is also stepping up its rollout of FTTB so those in large apartment blocks will see upgrades coming.

Hi thesimo,

I'm more than happy to take some details off you directly to point you in the right direction and give you some more information if you wish.

Feel free to direct contact me directly through here or you can email me at 'dominic.murphy(@)hyperoptic.com' (please remove the brackets around the @ sign - I'm using this to prevent spam)

Warm regards,

Dominic

sent ya an email, dominic

Does anyone know why the checker doesn't provide a date for when FTTP should arrive like they do for FTTC?

If it wasn't for that spreadsheet i wouldn't even know i was going to get anything.

where can I obtain this mysterious spreadsheet?

go back one page and look for moradin's post, there's a link in his sig.

That version doesn't give the exchange only or not scheduled ones though.

The original csvs are available here. Note there are two parts, i.e. two spreadsheets.

You imply that exchange only lines are included in the CSV files linked to, but in the file it states

PLEASE NOTE: Postcodes which map to Exchange Only Lines are not shown in this report.

What does the M_A, M_F, M_B etc mean where the cabinet number would usually be?

Might just have import them into my database, see if it grinds to a halt....

That indicates it is an Exchange Only line. No cabinet

As Ribble says, plus exchange only is also indicated by a "1" in the Exchange column. Just the annotation you quote is incorrect. They probably changed their mind and included it and forgot to remove that.

Here follow a list of all the indicators from the CSV files that are not of the "Pnumber" format --

Text

1 23 45 67 89

M_A         PE11        PE3         PE93        PP125T      PP52T M_B         PE12        PE30        PFCC1       PP127T      PP53TM_C         PE13        PE31        PHOW        PP145T      PP5T M_D         PE16        PE4         PMDF2       PP18T       PP61TM_E         PE18        PE5         PP108T      PP1T        PP6T M_F         PE19        PE6         PP109T      PP2T        PP7TPCMUX1      PE2         PE7         PP117T      PP43T       PS1 PE1         PE20        PE8         PP118T      PP49T       PS2PE10        PE21        PE9         PP124T      PP4T

Back to the Ilford Central slowcoaches. Here is my entry from the CSV:

LNILC
ILFORD CENTRAL
E126AL
{LNILC}{P38}
0
100%
4.64
5b
Yes
FTTP

Does that mean that everything is ready?

Since it was planned back in phase 5a which has long past, try putting a order in for BT's FTTP service and see if you can order it.

Still nothing.
I've sent a complaint to BT, we'll see what they have to say.

The lack of information about FTTP from bt/openreach is quite pathetic, they should at least add a date to the checker when we can expect it, i don't get why is it treated so differently to FTTC, if it wasn't for the spreadsheet and knowing the town was getting FTTC/P, we would be left thinking we weren't getting anything at all.

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The lack of information about FTTP from bt/openreach is quite pathetic, they should at least add a date to the checker when we can expect it, i don't get why is it treated so differently to FTTC, if it wasn't for the spreadsheet and knowing the town was getting FTTC/P, we would be left thinking we weren't getting anything at all.

I can't see them offering a choice of FTTC or FTTP to customers, it will always be one or the other, especially as they will be launching "FTTP on Demand" next year which will carry a hefty install charge.

It could be that OR is having problems with FTTP long delays due to install times etc, proably gone through most of their estimated instal dates.

Though most customers that have been allocated for a FTTP deployment would be happy to at least get a rough instal date, though would see quite a few wanting FTTC instead.

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Still nothing.
I've sent a complaint to BT, we'll see what they have to say.

So just under 6 months on from my original post, no more word of FTTP in my area (LNILC/P66). Did the Anonymous poster above get any response from their complaint I wonder? I'm starting to think that OR will not bother with the capital outlay of FTTP but instead rely on the FTTP on demand process to push this cost to customers. I personally am happy to wait for FTTP if the can at least indicate if it will be available by the end of the year...

Edited by deleted (Sun 03-Jun-12 18:41:35)

Im not the same anon but I know two people that have FTTP on Ilford Central. (They live on the same road)
Ive asked BT about it, and was told that FTTP has not been finalised, and Ill be able to order it when it is. (Maybe links with the July 2nd release)

I did think about the fibre on demand reason but they have installed the mainfolds on the telegraph poles ages ago. Also there are 2 FTTC cabinets within 2 minutes of my house (some further from the exchange than me) So that means that fibre has or will be going past my house right? So I dont see what they could charge for when it would just be a normal FTTP install.

Ill use the checker again in July, then contact BT again to see what they say.

Am I right in thinking that after the 2nd July FTTP will be available to some lines that are already served by FTTC?

If so would that mean that as I'm about 75m from my FTTC cabinet I'd be able to order BT Infinity Option 3 after the 2nd July?

No. 2nd July is the commercial launch of 330Mb/s FTTP. Fibre on demand will be available next year.

So am I correct in thinking that when FTTP is rolled as a avaialable by demand product it'll be available to any premise already covered by a FTTC cabinet. Will the 2nd July give us an ida as what the costs of this will be.

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So am I correct in thinking that when FTTP is rolled as a avaialable by demand product it'll be available to any premise already covered by a FTTC cabinet.

Yes.

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Will the 2nd July give us an ida as what the costs of this will be.

No. It's a retail launch of BT's fastest FTTP product, only available to those in an FTTP area.

Thanks

So I found this thread I started nearly 4 years ago for the status of LNILC/P66. Every 6-9 months I email Openreach to see if anything has changed on Fibre being made available and I get variations on not now, but some day in response.

Does anyone with better than me know if LNILC/P66 really is still on the roadmap for FTTP?

Thanks for any info anyone can provide.