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been digging around, and discovered Colchester council have refused planning on my local cabinet 
ive been led to believe that bt will make 2 applications and then drop it.
i just cannot believe the council are refusing these sorts of applications.
wondering where i should go from here.....
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Next time they apply get everybody you can to support the application, this can normally be done online. Also badger your local mp and council members .
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OP , why did the council refuse the application?
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wondering where i should go from here..... The first thing to do is lookup why the permission was refused - this should be recorded in publicly available documentation.
There may be legitimate objection - perhaps the positions selected by BT, or any other bits of landscape that may need digging up for a time for the install, are seen as having the possibility of causing some sort of unacceptable disruption/blockage/damage. If that is the case then there is little you can do (other than perhaps encourage BT to try find another practical solution but that might not be possible).
If the objections seem wrong in some way (just plain incorrect, complaints from a body that has no business interferring, other apparently politically motivated descision making, ...) then you might have sufficient cause to question the decision (I'm not sure how an individual would go about appealing such a ruling though).
If the problem is local residents objecting (there are places where new cabs have been refused because the residents thought a new green box would damage the beauty of their overpriced neighborhood) then you may have a local squabble on your hands!
In any case if there is another application in or due to go in (IIRC BT do appeal or make a different application with an altered plan in the first instance) make sure you find out about it so you can rally any positive force you can muster.
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the application was made by an engineering firm on behalf of BT
the application was aug 2011 for prior approval
apparently its in a conservation area
also, there were concerns that not enough detail had been given about some trees in the vicinity not being damaged
also, concern that not enough detail had been given that the adjacent footpath would remain at least 1.2m wide.
a streetworks application was made jan this year, for the work to be done in jan, but was refused. that was Essex council, and still waiting to find out more information.
ive only been finding this out today, by rummaging around. BT are no help at all at information.
i called my local councillor earlier who is gonna speak with the planning case officer.
i was led to believe by TalkTalk that the service would be available this month, but it doesnt look like anything is happening now
the engineering firm were helpful, and said they would try to contact BT on my behalf to find out anything.
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looking through the colchester council website
it seems several applications have been refused for different reasons
GOGO colchester council.....
this is the refusal:
http://www.mediafire.com/?lltsv3vvjlu7luc
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Link to the application:
http://www.planning.colchester.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFi...
Possible actions:
1. Riing Sue Jackson at the council (the case officer) and ask her if BT or their agent have been in touch subsequent to the refusal with a view to amending the application. If not ask her if there is somewhere the cabinet could be sited in the vicinity of the PCP that would not cause issue with the street scene policy and tree preservation.
2. ring BT's agent and ask them to talk to Mse Jackson before raising a new application.
As with all things planning, ring the case officer and get an update from the horses mouth.
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thanks for advice
ive spoken with my local councillor who said he will speak with the case officer
i couldnt get hold of the case officer today, but will try again tomorrow
as i said, the agent is supposed to be getting back to me, after speaking with BT
just cant believe the council would refuse this.....
and to think if i hadnt dug around, i wouldnt have known...
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Is this your PCP cabiinet?
If so there is plenty of space to get the cabinett off the main raod and avoid the the trees. If this is the right PCP it would seem to make sense to put the FTTC cab right next to it, keeping the tie cabes and any ducting short, and getting no closer to the trees than the existing cab.
It would not have looked too pretty where the agent's (IMHO quite poor) diagram shows it.
I am of course not a planning expert.
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sorry forgot to insert link, or the board is removing the link
O'll try again
http://goo.gl/maps/NvzO
so if it doesn't appear above. the link to it on google maps is
http:// goo.gl/maps/NvZO but with no spaces.
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this is the only application ive found in my area
there is another cabinet the other side of the estate, but not sure if that was already there
this cabinet does seem to be for our estate, built around 6 years ago
im not sure which one im connected to, hope its this one!
ive only found this out by my own perserverance, BT have been completely unhelpful in getting any meaningful information about when or if we will have FTTC
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yes thats the one showing in the application
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this is the one the other side of the estate
http://goo.gl/maps/RBov
but it looks like it was there before the estate built
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I've had a look at the files and it is unbelievable that it has been refused.
It will have no more impact than the existing cabinet, it it on the grass so will not obstruct the footpath, and why is that a conservation area? Does not look that great to me!
I also note that the application was made on 25 August and the detrermination letter was not until 28 Novemeber - 3 months which is outside teh timescale a council should work to.
It is a pity that BT did not say, "Time is up, we are starting work NOW"!
The highways department claim it was to be on the footway - the annotated pictures demonstrate it would not be ... and email to [email protected] asking for an explanation of his department's inability to look at the picture and make a correct decision might be useful.
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Edited by MHC (Thu 05-Jul-12 19:40:14)
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there is a park opposite, MOD owned
and a new army barracks adjacent
probably something to do with that
yeah i cant believe it was refused either
i moved from a home with 100Mb cable last year to here where im lucky to get 4Mb
desperate to get faster again
hope more information tomorrow
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gotta love councils......
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I'm not one for support council's red tape, but in this case the issue is with the poor drawing from openreach's agent, and that they show it on "the wrong" location on that diagram. If they re-submit with the FTTC cab in the obviously correct place it surly stands a better chance.
The council only raised the issue of proxiity to trees, the highways agency objected to the location, mostly based on the poor diagram.
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In reply to a post by Anonymous:
The council only raised the issue of proxiity to trees, the highways agency objected to the location, mostly based on the poor diagram.
The OS extract specifically states "Not To Scale" so should only be used as a guide to the general location and when compared to the photographs, is actually inaccurate
The precise location is shown on a separate document (several times) and that makes it totally clear that it will be on the grass and not the footpath. It was total laziness on the department in that they obviously did not read the full document set and only commented at the last minute and after the consultation closing date.
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update:
got nowhere with local councillor. he spoke with case officer last night, crux of it is "its up to you as a resident to get BT to come back"
thanks councillor......
got nowhere with the highways agency guy.....
case officer not answered phone for 2 days now....
possible good news. now managed to speak with the guy responsible for conservation areas for the engineering co. hes gonna speak with BT and find out what their plans are now, and get back to me
hopefully i can get them to resubmit a planning application.
all in all, what a joke.....
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update:
got nowhere with local councillor. he spoke with case officer last night, crux of it is "its up to you as a resident to get BT to come back"
thanks councillor......
got nowhere with the highways agency guy.....
case officer not answered phone for 2 days now....
possible good news. now managed to speak with the guy responsible for conservation areas for the engineering co. hes gonna speak with BT and find out what their plans are now, and get back to me
hopefully i can get them to resubmit a planning application.
all in all, what a joke.....
As the councillor will not do anything, ask him for FULL contact details of the case officer - 'phone, mobile and email as well as those of his manager. If the councillor refuses then straight to the office of the party leader or mayor.
Go back to the Highways guy and demand an answer in writing as to why he recommended refusal on incorrect grounds and that he had obviously failed to read the application. If he refused - go to the Council's Chief Executive.
If you have got nowhere then call the local press and get them to publish a story about how the council are stifling progress on spurious grounds, that your representative (councillor) is shirking his responsibilities ...
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It would be worth confirming which cabinet is yours, either post your postcode and someone will look it up or Google coolwebhome and use the checker on there.
Just because a cabinet was there before the estate doesn't mean it's not supplying lines to the estate.
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the case officer is supposed to be calling me according to the councillor
but i was told by the councillor that she cant call the engineering firm to tell them what they need to do to get an approval
he (the councillor) led me to believe that if they put more accurate information in a new planning application regarding not affecting the path or the trees, that it would get approval
i passed this on to the engineering firm guy who deals with conservation areas
still waiting for him to get back to me on what BT plans are now
hopefully i can influence from that end as i dont see any way forward from speaking further with the council or the councillor
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I know Colchester fairly well, worked there for a few years after living there as a kid.
Some parts of the town are small footpaths, so can envisage new cabinets being an issue. Postcode of where existing cab will help us judge the situation.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5039-hug-a-street... shows this is not unique to Colchester.
I think the trick is to get support from the residents in the area, particularly those closest to likely cabinet position. A voice of one is easily ignored, 20 or 30 voices is harder to ignore.
Openreach tends to view difficult areas as something they will come back to, as their roll-out speed means time spent by planning dept on this one cab might delay planning for another 3 or 4.
The council should have details of the planning available online, or at worst a visit to their offices.
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now spoken with the case officer who basically tried to cover her a**e
ive demanded a written response from her as to exactly why the planning was denied, tho not sure how that will help me
apparently the tree officer wasnt satisfied that they gave enough information that the trees wouldnt be damaged......
looks like my only hope is the engineering firm persauding BT to reapply planning
still waiting to hear back from them
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spoken with the engineering firm
they said BT have deferred now
speaking with another councillor now who seems much more helpful
looks like we'll have to lobby BT to come back
joy.....
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Damage to trees sounds more like problems with roots and the ducting to link the two cabinets, or ducting to get the mains power needed to the area.
You sure the information is not online as I can find
http://www.planning.colchester.gov.uk/WAM/doc/Drawin...
The search openreach pcp streetworks planning permission site:colchester.gov.uk finds a lot more of them too.
If you do not know the cabinet number, then http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre/checker.php may well give you the number
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the existing cabinet is P20
the planning application was given in an earlier reply
http://www.planning.colchester.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFi...
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but what cabinet is live yours?
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If you don't want to post your postcode, PM it to MrSaffron, R0NSKI or myself. It is important to confirm which cabinet you are connected to, and the postcde may tell us.
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So its trees and reduced width of the pavement that was the objection.
Looking at pictures of proprosal, it is next to pavement, so no width reduction, but close to junction, but on the left hand side, so should not obscure vision for traffic and pedestrians crossed.
Moving cabinet back further onto grass may mean root damage is more likely.
A possible option is a re-shell of the existing green cab, with the active part housed in a taller cabinet, but generally less capacity for VDSL2 lines, and may increase cost.
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There was even a "Scheme of Work" from the contractors saying how they deal with trees.
The council really do sound incompetent.
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The pictures were fairly clear about where it would be sited - on the grass, not the footpath and also showed the actual footpath which was not narrow at all.
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I can guess someone has raised, the trees and pavement as a thing to check, which then got translated without much translation into a rejection.
Openreach probably is more interested in doing other areas by now.
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my postcode is CO2 7US
ive now registered with BT for someone to look into this again
ive received an email saying they will get in touch within a week
the new councillor helping me has offered to print leaflets for all the residents here to sign if required
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got this from Openreach website:
Planning permission is not usually required, with the exception of sites in national parks, conservation areas and other areas of special interest. Under Part 24 of the Town & Country Planning Act BT as a Code Operator has deemed planning permission to install Cabinets so no notification at the planning stage is required in most cases under this piece of legislation. However if the Cabinet is to be installed in Article 1 (5) land i.e. National Parks , Conservation Areas etc then a Prior Notification application must be sent to the Local Planning Authority (LPA). They then decide if the application has to go through the process and if it does they have 56 calendar days in which to consult interested parties and consider the application. The LPA can refuse the application on the grounds of siting and appearance only. However if no written rejection has been received within the 56 days installation can commence. Under Para 5 of the Electronic Communications Code (Conditions and Restrictions) Regulations 2003 BT must notice the LPA of our intention to install any Cabinet. The LPA do not have the power to veto any site but they can request conditions to be attached to the installation and they have up to one calendar month to do this. However BT can reject these conditions if they feel they are not reasonably practicable. In order to install the Cabinets BT must notice the Highway Authority via the New Roads & Street Works Noticing system when they intend to work in the street. This allows the Highway Authority to ensure there is no clash with other Utilities who may be working in the same area and so avoid any unnecessary congestion.
so it seems the council really did a bad job here
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my postcode is CO2 7US
100% of lines for that post code are on P20 as you suspected . Phase 8a
I'm at work at the moment but I can post a list later of the post codes supplied and you can then canvas the houses if you want to.
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thanks for all help and advise
yes that would be great, thanks
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Had a spare ten minutes - quiet for a Friday afternoon 
Here's a map of the postcodes covered by P20 - if you scroll to the bottom of the map you can download it into Google Earth. Note the map will expire if it is not accessed for 60 days, so you may want to save a local copy.
And heres a list of postcodes, you can get a list of addresses for these postcodes, follow the guide here although it looks quite straight forward with the whole estate being covered, and possibly a bit of the industrial estate, although that could also be an error in the data.
Postcode Percent Lines
CO34HG 2% I think this is an error in the database - it's too far away.
CO27UP 83%
CO27WD 87%
CO27UW 92%
CO27UH 92%
CO27US 100%
CO27WA 100%
CO27UN 100%
CO27UF 100%
CO27UE 100%
CO27UG 100%
CO27UT 100%
CO27TT 100%
CO27WB 100%
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As I said - 56 days had expired on 25th October and BT could have started work then. The council were lazy and incompetent and only got their refusal out a month later.
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its an army base not industrial 
thanks for the map, its basically all my estate, was built about 6 yrs ago
just waiting to hear from BT Openreach now, and see if i can persaude them to re-apply
my councillor is writing to Colchester and Essex councils to ask for answers why the planning was refused
fingers crossed....
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Duplicated post
Post deleted by don0301
Edited by deleted (Fri 06-Jul-12 16:30:13)
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Just noticed that on Google Street view, never mind, bet they have better broadband
PS. Just read the planning refusal notice myself, absolutely unbelievable! The minor problems they mentioned could of easily been dealt with by the inclusion of requirements on the positioning of the cabinet. Specific requirements that have to be met are often included in granted permissions.
Anyway, surely the previous cabinet being there sets a precedent.
Edited by R0NSKI (Fri 06-Jul-12 16:36:46)
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doesnt everyone?
agreed but what to do now
just hope i can persaude BT to re submit planning application
and that my councillor shoots a rocket up the a**e of the muppet that made this decision......
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Just noticed that on Google Street view, never mind, bet they have better broadband
Doubt it - from experience most military sites use ADSL exactly the same as us
James - be* pro - 16.8mbps sync - BQM
FTTC cab arrived 18-jun-2012 (due Mar 2011) - Openreach estimate 44.6Mbps / 6.5Mbps
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still not heard from BT
i lodged email to BT Openreach through their website
auto response saying someone in contact within a week
anyone got a better way? person? number? to deal with this?
ive written to the manager of the council case officer about this, but not sure it will do anything
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Ive now got in touch with the guy in charge of planning applications at the engineering company \o/
he informed me a 2nd application was made 19 Jan 2012 which was refused
which the council hadnt told me about (having told me that if another application was submitted with the extra information it would be approved), nor is there any record on their website of this application....
hes digging out information why and getting back to me, seems very helpful guy
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Get onto your local newspaper.
The local rags just love this sort of thing about incompetent/lazy councils.
May be worth a shot as a bit of public embaressment may help.
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thanks for the tip
Essex County Standard, the local newspaper seem interested in the story
also they want to send a photographer out this week to photo some residents next to the cabinet
hopefully they will publish
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Well done . Keep going.
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thanks
now found the link to the second planning application
location was put different even though its same location, why i couldnt find it before
http://www.planning.colchester.gov.uk/WAM/findCaseFi...
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What a bunch of idiots. (call them what you wish!)
No evidence to mitigate potential damage to trees - there had already bee the code of practice supplied!
Then see the general environmental comment - talks about RF transmission and antennae! What????? And where to creepy crawly bugs come into it?
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One can only assume the jobsworthy involved has no idea of the increased desirability of the area to current and prospective residents. It says developments "must enhance the function" of the area, and also should "enhance the heritage asset".
So they clearly have no concept of the long-term damage and fall in property values caused by the lack of "superfast" broadband.
I guess they don't actually realise that superfast broadband is what is proposed, and that residents of such an area are extremely likely to want it.
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just had a brainwave
but i need to check when offices are open tomorrow
i believe the conservation area only runs 15 metres "into" the estate
so if the cabinet was put in south ( ie more "in" the estate) of the existing cabinet then no planning would be required at all? i think thats correct
if true not sure why engineering company or council didnt look at this
fingers crossed there may be a quick solution...
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It doesn't sound like the engineering company is very competent when it comes to planning applications either.
If you don't get any response from Open Reach then perhaps an email to the CEO of the BT group will help.
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Current location appears to be because of its proximity to the mains to power the kit.
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my idea won't work
ive been told verbally by senior planning officer this morning that in the initial planning application for this estate, the council removed permitted rights for BT to install telecomms eqpt without approval by the council.
apparently this is highly unusual.
still waiting to get written proof of this
something really fishy about all this
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That sounds incredibly fishy ... BT have STATUTORY powers from central government and I do not believe the local authority has any rights remove them. The powers were given to BT, Gas, Electricity and Water supply companies so they had effectively one set of rules throughout the country and would not have hundreds of different sets of rules and massive planning teams costing you and I millions.
Can you get the planning application reference number for the whole estate?
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the senior planning officer asked me to email him requesting the info, which i did this morning
waiting to get his reply
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i believe it is this
RM/COL/04/1951
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TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING ACT 1990
TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING (GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURE) ORDER 1995
In pursuance of the powers exercised by it as District Planning Authority this Council, having considered your OUTLINE application to carry out the development detailed below in accordance with the plan(s) accompanying the said application DOES HEREBY GIVE NOTICE of its decision to GRANT PERMISSION for the said development subject to any further condition(s) set out below.
APPLICATION NO: O/COL/01/0009 APPLICATION DATE: 4th December 2000
50. Notwithstanding the provisions of the Town and Country Planning General Permitted Development Order 1995, (or any Order revoking or re-enacting that Order), details of the design, location and materials for any above ground structures required by any of the statutory undertakers shall be submitted to, and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority, before any such structures are constructed.
Reason 1. In order to ensure that these structures are acceptable townscape elements.
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Looking at all the replies, and the amount of work you have put in to get this far, you can see why Openreach have just given up and walked away from this cabinet. With 60000 cabinets to do this one is now at the back of the queue along with South Kensington's 108.
The last refusal basically says they don't want another cabinet near to the existing one. Tough on anyone on the estate wanting superfast braodband.
If you haven't done this at the last election I suggest that you change your councillors at the first opportunity!
You could try getting a hunderd or so people on a petition to say this will enhance the area and presenting this to the planning committee via your councillor, as this is more than the normal voting majority of a council ward this will at least make the concillor take notice!
If you can get them to change their minds you will then have to ask Openreach nicely to try again, They should be amenable if the council has publically agreed to the provision in principle. Then get as many people as possible to support the next application.
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thanks for all the replies
yes that looks like the basic plan
ive got a local rag photographer coming tomorrow for pics, hopefully they will publish a story.
also my local councillor has agreed to print something for all the 283 dwellings it affects to petition the council. everyone Ive spoken to on the estate is clearly in favour. Ive spoken to the nieghbours closest to the proposed site, and they have no objections.
If i can get the council to agree to it, which Im working on with the councillor, Morrison Utilities (working on behalf of BT) the guy there in charge of planning applications said he will do his best to get BT to give approval to go ahead. the guy has been helpful far beyond what he needs to, so respect to him.
its the council that are the problem, still trying to find a way ahead with them.
Ive now made it a formal complaint to the council, the manager in planning dealing with it has 5 working days from today to reply in writing to me.
fingers crossed we can find a solution to this.......
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Watching this with interest. I am also in Colchester (Braiswick). Our FTTC cab finally went live in May this year after being delayed several times so I understand how frustrating this is - best of luck with your battle!
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From what don0301 has said, it seems to be the council officers more than the councillors. One councillors has offered to assist. If you ever attend a planning committee meeting the councillors will in general accept the recommendations of the council staff. Quite often it is farcical!..
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That sounds incredibly fishy ... BT have STATUTORY powers from central government and I do not believe the local authority has any rights remove them. Maybe the estate was built in a pre-existing conservation area? At 283 residents it could have been a large derelict site within the area.
Unlikely, but feasible, and would explain the ability to impose restrictions.
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this site was an army barracks before
i believe the conservation order was placed in 2004, it covers the park (MOD owned) opposite but for some bizarre reason, instead of running the boundary along the main road, they ran it partially through this new estate...
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found out today the 2 planning applications didnt go to the planning committee. they were delegated.
still not had response from the planning department to my questions.
photographer here today for pictures. reporter told me the story will go into both local papers.
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Make sure he has that little snippet as well.
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my local councillor is getting BT Infinity this friday, she let slip
hope some shame will spur her on to help our predicament
she managed to be at our local rag photo shoot with a colleague of hers who used to be involved in planning, he seemed to have some searching questions on the bizarre placing of the conservation area boundary running through our estate, and the removal of BT's permitted rights.
still not had any reply from the planning dept....
hopefully story will be in the main local paper, Essex County Standard tomorrow.
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Be sure to let us have a link, as would like to run it on our news
The estate, it is part of the old barracks that has been sold off? One problem with digging almost any hole in Colchester is the number of roman artifacts in the area
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it was a military hospital and barracks here before, i understand.
i understand they built a new £1bn garrison, and sold off all the old barracks for the 1000's of houses being built here :/
colchester has been, and is for years to come, the fastest growing town in the country :/
seemingly, without the necessary infrastructure :/
as far as im aware there has been no objection regarding possible roman artifacts. i think i won't mention that to anyone dont want to give these jobsworths another excuse to refuse 
i will post link or scan of story if published, was led to believe it would be in both local rags, but time will tell.
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Artifacts aren't a problem unless somebody digs one up.
Given how shallow the concrete base is on a FTTC install, it is very ulikely that anything will be found.
I can belive though how incompetant the planning department is though.
We had plans for town redevopment drawn up and as the county planning office was 10 miles away they didn't come and do any surveys they just worked with maps of the town.
There was over 20 stupid ideas floated in the so called plan and it was only the credit crunch in 2008 that put the whole crazy thing on hold.
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I wonder if BT were formally notified of the removal of their statutory rights? And if so were they given the opportunity to appeal against them?
Did you ask the councillor how the cabinet that serves her was given approval - I know it might not have been required but it would have caused her to squirm!
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she's actually been helpful, and definetly supportive.
from what Ive unearthed any "normal" cabinet application has been approved.
only ones in conservation areas or affected by a listed building have been denied.
this isnt the only cabinet that the council have refused.
the decisions have been made, i understand, under delegated power, ie by the planning dept. not by councillors on the planning committee.
still not heard from BT, email auto response said reply within 7 days, but nothing yet....
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I wondered if she was the one who was not interested ...
Delegation - in my LA, means that it is passed to one Councillor to consider on his/her own and they have just the planning dept comments. Rarely do they go against the advice.
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I wondered if she was the one who was not interested ...
Delegation - in my LA, means that it is passed to one Councillor to consider on his/her own and they have just the planning dept comments. Rarely do they go against the advice.
In my LA I believe that delegated decisions are just that - delegated to the Officers - I have just gone through planning for a house extension which was delegated.
I certainly would not expect a peice of street furniture to be anything other that delegated unless it was highly controversial.
Where I used to live (which has been live for FTTC for over a year) planning has just been granted for a 288 line Huwai CAB in a conservation area although all works have long since stopped.
Strange thing is it is PCP number 1 and it is about 20 yards from the telephone exchange. There are two other CABs within the conservation area which were put in with the original roll-out - both within 50 yards of the exchange and covering mainly shops and commercial premises!
It seems odd that BT would bother with these three CABs which would be dificult, the area is already able to get up to 15 - 20 Mb/s download (they are nearer to the exchange than I was) and the residential area is not particularly desirable IMHO.
BT are strange!
Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
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I wondered if she was the one who was not interested ...
Delegation - in my LA, means that it is passed to one Councillor to consider on his/her own and they have just the planning dept comments. Rarely do they go against the advice.
not sure if i can name or shame people on here
the original councillor i went to was a male, and as Ive experienced from another matter (and talking with other residents), useless and completely unsupportive or helpful. I approached him first cos i know he's involved in the planning processes.
I then approached my female local councillor, who I have found helpful, supportive, and interested in helping us get the cabinet.
I am not sexist, political or anything else.
I would state what party they represent but not sure if i can.
but that has been my experience so far with dealing with this.
one of my neighbours is trying to get hold of the original councillor to discuss this matter with him, will be interesting to see how he reacts.
As far as I know, which is little, a lot of these "small" matters are delegated to the planning dept, who have a "case officer" in charge. In my experience with massive churn, they may only have 12-18 months experience in their job.
the joy of LPA's....
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I knew there was one who was uninterested ... but did not fancy a trawl through the whole thread to find any more.
This is certainly not a political issue - so no parties need naming, but it has been very badly handled by the council staff.
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article in Daily Gazette today
gazette-news.co.uk
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3549/dailygazette...
also, in Essex County Standard tomorrow
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Well done!
You should get the council diving for cover and planning permission approved very quickly now!
Still have to wait many months to get enabled though
Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
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an article, 2 pages after this one about Essex County Council crowing it would have 90% of Essex on Super fast broadband by 2015.
making its pledge as its new plan won Government approval...
colchester council still not given me a formal reply, hope they read these articles first
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just realised the Paper Editorial supporting us too \o/
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2933/dailygazette...
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Looking good, I've sent you a PM.
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Yes Prime Minister springs to mind!
I used to work in local government and this sort of thing goes on all the time - I presume the planning manager is covering his backside but BT don't appear to be entirely blameless either.
I think the ball is back in BT's court, probably will a guarantee of approval if they fill the form in correctly (and pay the money!).
Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
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Reading that letter confirms my feelings that the agent done a very poor job when submitting the second application, they should have addressed all the reasons as to why the first application was rejected.
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Poor job, or just trying to work through a list of 1000's of planning applications as quickly as possible, with perhaps a revisit in a year or so to the more complicated ones.
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latest news
BT appear to have agreed to relook at this
now waiting to hear news IF the council are going to be helpful in finding a solution
for anyone else in my shoes, Ive had to talk with a lot of people, but with perserverance you will eventually (hopefully) start talking with the right people
will post as and when i hear more
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Your going to need six months rest after this . At least you are getting proper information now.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk
My domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost. Internet connection - Plusnet Value Fibre FTTC 80/20 trial.
"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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update:
was told BT would visit site last week and I would be informed.
sadly, as far as I'm aware it didnt happen.
still waiting to hear from BT when it will happen.
I hope the delay is BT arranging for a planner to be there to ensure (hopefully) a successful outcome.
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keep pressing them, I'm sure you'll get there in the end.
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latest update:
received an email yesterday from BT, that the council have suggested 2 alternative locations for the Inifinity cabinet!
well done the council for seeming to at last be helpful in this matter
1 appears to be a no go, but the other one appears to have possibilties, theyve been forwarded to the relevant dept in BT to be looked at
slowly seem to be getting somewhere
fingers crossed
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Glad to hear you're getting somewhere, let's hope the locations approved.
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received an email from BT today that they had emailed the council that one of the proposed sites was looking positive
its a race now to get it approved and done before BT Openreach have finished doing cabinets in colchester.....
wish us luck....
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Good luck
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Good luck
thanks Ronski, and all other helpful responses here
tbh its this site that has made this possible most of all, so i am grateful for its "advertising" to BT the problem
here, with fingers crossed
Edited by deleted (Wed 05-Sep-12 23:35:39)
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Big news for Conservation areas:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5424-government-r...
Very very new, so council are likely to know no more than is in the press release.
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latest news....
the proposed site was forwarded by BT to Morrisons Utility ( the people who did the previous 2 failed planning applications) nearly 3 weeks ago...
i was told that their (Morrisons) surveyors are looking at it, and should respond to it within 10 working days. well past that now, but ive called the guy responsible (at Morrisons) 3 times this week since monday, who said on Monday he would chase them, and still not had a return call from him responding. very disappointing.
was told by this guy before that once approved he would have planning application done within 1 day.
it's now over 1 year since the original planning application was submitted
*grrrr*
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Planning application submitted today by Morrisons
Fingers crossed....
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Thats progress then! Well done!
Now you just have to wait 8 weeks for the council to process the application, but in the meantime get everybody you can on your estate to add their support to the application, you should hopefully be able to do this online, there should be an option to comment on the application and state whether you support it or not.
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thanks ronski, good idea..can't imagine anyone against it
already primed my councillor and the council
it's all been agreed in principle so hopefully *crossed fingers* will pass with no problem this time
takes 1-2 weeks for it to appear on the "system"
very frustrating how long its taken tho....
get there in the end and all that i guess....
Edited by deleted (Wed 21-Nov-12 20:49:32)
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Mamoth effort well done, a cabinet near me has been approved however not sure if I am connected to that PCP. Tried bt wholesale website a done the checker for my postcode it said I should get 50-60meg download 18-20 up load, When I put in my full address just adsl no fibre and tried my phone number wasn't recognised because I am with sky at the moment.
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Mamoth effort well done, a cabinet near me has been approved however not sure if I am connected to that PCP. Tried bt wholesale website a done the checker for my postcode it said I should get 50-60meg download 18-20 up load, When I put in my full address just adsl no fibre and tried my phone number wasn't recognised because I am with sky at the moment.
ask a neighbour with BT for their number to find out? just quick thought
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interesting read all this is i hope your 3rd go is an charm reading the whole thread
if not i would start to name an shame who ever is rejecting (news as you have) it as it could take another year to get that cab active or BT will just give up and leave you in the 30-20% in the uk that will not have fast broadband
Mamoth effort well done, a cabinet near me has been approved however not sure if I am connected to that PCP. Tried bt wholesale website a done the checker for my postcode it said I should get 50-60meg download 18-20 up load, When I put in my full address just adsl no fibre and tried my phone number wasn't recognised because I am with sky at the moment.
need to postcode to check witch one you connected to
can take up to 2-6 months before sky fiber is allowed to use the FTTC once the cab has been enabled, not sure if its openreach or if sky needing to press the button to add that PCP to the fiber allowed list so they can place orders, it should be instant as nothing special with FTTC BT vs other ISPs that want to offer FTTC at that cab once that cab is active and can take fiber orders
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email from the council this morning saying they haven't received the planning application....
Morrisons have since assured me it was submitted 2 days ago....
waiting for email confirmation with receipt from Morrisons to send to the council
and so it goes on.....
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can take up to 2-6 months before sky fiber is allowed to use the FTTC once the cab has been enabled,
No - SKY dont need "permission" to use an FTTC cabineet!
When BT OpenReach make a CAB available any ISP can use it. It is then up to SKY whether they wish to. In practice once an exchange is accepting orders for FTTC and SKY are accepting orders I can't see any reason for SKY or any other ISP bothering with a granularity at the CAB level other than whether a CAB is enabled or not.
BT Infinity 2 - IP profile 77 / 20 - super fast!
Previously BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload but then moved house - 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
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Thanks for all the input nice to get some ideas in the hat and gonna watch this board to hopefully see the positive outcome on the Colchester FTTC, However I may state that Councils work for the local people and get things done. It's clear there is an majority in that part of the town want it installed well why dont they get the finger out and get it sorted.
I was driving in my town today gladly to see a van with a large roll of black cable feeding it through ducting, hopefully the ball is now rolling in the right direction.
Regards
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latest....
the council HAD received the application
I found it for them and forwarded the planning application number to the manager I'm dealing with in the council
unsurprisingly he hadn't responded by close of play yesterday
gotta love beuracracy.....
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planning application was submitted to the council via planningportal 11am on 21 Nov 2012.
It's still not showing on their website/system.
Is there a statury time limit for them to process it so it's available for public viewing?
The planning department said it should be on the system by the end of this week....
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planning application was submitted to the council via planningportal 11am on 21 Nov 2012.
It's still not showing on their website/system.
Is there a statury time limit for them to process it so it's available for public viewing?
The planning department said it should be on the system by the end of this week....
The key words are "planning department" - they seem to work to their own schedule!
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now a week and a half since the application was submitted to the council ( weds 21 Nov 11am) via planningportal
still not showing on the council "system"
called morrisons this morning who said they will call the council this afternoon to find out what is going on
so it goes on....
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Friday just past and local pcp was fenced off and work has began, Sunday suddenly an FTTC Cabinet Appears I think their still completeing work though however things happened really quick so far.
So Don0301 I recon once the plans hopefully are passed Bt Openreach will speedily install the cabinet and get you guys up and running.
Good Luck
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just been speaking with the duty planning officer at the council and....
the application has been classed invalid.....
there was no 1/2500 location plan
there was an issue with the address
the site related to one in Northumberland!
it was returned to Morrisons by snail mail 28/11/12
just beggars believe....
have rang Morrisons, left message for the boss of planning to call me
and so it goes on....
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oh no! Why are people just so incompetent these days!
It must be so frustrating, I bet you wish you could file the application yourself and make sure it's correct.
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it's like smashing your head against a brick wall
imagine what would have/will happen if i wasn't here continually prodding and pushing.....
managed to now speak with the head of planning, Morrisons (who yet again said he hadn't received my message to contact me...)
He says he will look into it
I emphasised massively that after 2 failed attempts AND the council now agreeing in principal that these sorts of mistakes/delays really shouldn't be happening
I asked him to personally oversee from now on, which he said he would
Also, emailed all this information to my contact in BT and my councillor, but no reply yet
Yes, Ronski, very disheartening.....
Edited by deleted (Mon 03-Dec-12 17:01:27)
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latest update
got email from head of planning Morrisons this morning, including a pdf of the application
saw the errors and passed on the information to him
received email from BT manager midday that Morrisons had corrected the errors and resubmitted the application
just have to wait a few more days now to see if it finally appears on the council website
on the downside, we put out a message to all 283 residences in a monthly newsletter that goes out about the planning application last week, so anyone who has looked will not see it there. by the time it appears most people will have forgotten about it/concentrating on xmas. very disappointing
fingers crossed ...again...
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Looks good now once planning has been hopefully approved the balls in BT's court to get the go ahead. not before time.
On my side of the fence the street cab is installed with a link to the junction box and PCP. However I don't know is the power is connected or fiber piped in so they may do that later date.
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Was told yesterday that the application had been re-submitted
Council said today they have no record of it
Sound familiar?
And so it goes on.....
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Ridiculous state of affairs, how difficult can it be to get a cabinet installation approved?
Fellow slowband user in Abbey Field View.
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hi there
i hope you read the message in the monthly newsletter last week
planning application number should be 122069 so keep an eye out for it when it finally appears on the council website (under planning), and ensure you put your comments on there
Edited by deleted (Wed 05-Dec-12 20:45:12)
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oh, and pass the word!
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Will do, not on there yet though!
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yeah I know, as my previous posts
I am on it tho, hopefully will be up this week
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spoke with the Council this morning
they still haven't received any of the requested information from Morrisons.....
so it goes on....
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chased Morrisons this morning
got some emails this afternoon that they have now finally submitted the requested information
Council will check it tomorrow, and if is ok, hopefully should get validated tomorrow
fingers crossed....
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Just off the phone with the Council
They have now finally got the information from Morrisons
They said the application will be validated today
And will be showing on the Council website from tomorrow
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Let's hope everything is correct this time, fingers crossed.
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Good news!
Just had a call from the Case Officer who will be dealing with this application, the case file is now on his desk so has been validated
It should be showing on the Council website from tomorrow to allow public comment
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Post a link to the planning application and see how many positive supporting responses are made ...
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yeah, don't worry I will
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planning application now showing on the Council website
http://www.planning.colchester.gov.uk/WAM/showCaseFi...
hopefully only positive comments!
just read it through, still mistakes! lol
well, the Council have validated it so I'll keep quiet
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Planning application is now online, I have supported.
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Glad it's finally getting there for you, well done.
Can anyone comment even if we don't live in the area?
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hi there and thanks
I think anyone can comment but whether the Council will take any notice of non-local people I have no idea but suspect not
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4 "approval's" so far
keep them coming!
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6 "approvals" now
hope we can get much more...
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Thats good, hope they continue.
They seem to have updated Google Street view, there's now two people looking at the cabinet, the pictures dated July 2012. Perhaps they should add a caption to the picture "Will it ever get planning approval????"
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haha, that's classic
well found
that must have been the Council visiting the site to find an acceptable site
they ended up proposing 2 which 1 BT accepted
the guy on the right looks like the case officer for this planning application
thanks for the posts and encouragement
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disappointing response from locals on the Council website
at least the 7 so far are all positive
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Perhaps you need to go door to door with a laptop and get people to add their support there and then. Not sure what you'd do about an internet connection unless you have a dongle/wifi hot spot on you're phone.
The main thing is there are no objections.
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I put a message out on a local monthly newsletter to all properties
Also spoken to many people at every opportunity
Also spoke at the last Open Meeting here last Sunday
Quite a few people said they would comment, but have just failed to do so
Don't really feel like knocking on nearly 300 doors
Agree with you, the main thing is, I guess, that all comments so far are positive
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Don't really feel like knocking on nearly 300 doors
I wouldn't either, especially in this weather.
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Got a call from the Council case officer today, he has provisionally approved the planning application. There was some concern from the adjacent property but he feels he has answered those questions.
It now goes to a more senior planning officer for final approval or not.
Hopefully will have an answer in the next few days, depending on backlog.
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That will be quick, usually takes 8 weeks, let's hope you're cabinet goes in just as quick, presuming it's approved of course.
Edited by R0NSKI (Mon 07-Jan-13 15:51:35)
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yeah the Council have been true to their word. They had said when received they would try to make a quick decision. Clearly didn't like the negative publicity campaign
I've been given the email of the BT Openreach Project Manager, so hopefully can co-ordinate a speedy installation after (if?) planning permission is given.
Fingers crossed!
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I've been given the email of the BT Openreach Project Manager, so hopefully can co-ordinate a speedy installation after (if?) planning permission is given.
Love you use of language there
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As of today, we have planning permission!!!
http://www.planning.colchester.gov.uk/WAM/findCaseFi...
Now to start pestering BT Openreach to install
Took a long time, but I hope this inspires others who are in the same position as I was.
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Well done, fantastic news!!
like you say now you've just got to get BT to install it. Wonder how long that will take.
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Thanks Ronski
I've already emailed the BTO project manager twice. Once when I got the heads up from the Case Officer, and again today.
Not heard anything from him yet, will keep posted.
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Can anyone give me evidence of rough time between planning approval for trouble site, to getting the cabinet installed and working?
Still not heard anything from BT Openreach regarding my cabinet.
Thanks
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Can anyone give me evidence of rough time between planning approval for trouble site, to getting the cabinet installed and working?
Still not heard anything from BT Openreach regarding my cabinet.
Thanks
Nope, 15 months and counting in the case I'm looking at.
They do the construction in phases so your cabinet will be added to an upcoming construction phase and you are looking at 3 months as a minimum.
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Found out today, cabinet due to be put in 7-13 Feb 2013. Roadworks application already in.
Been told that cabinet expected to go into service late April/early May 2013.
Great news. Hopefully no more delays.
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Let's hope it goes in, our stragglers keep getting scheduled on roadworks.org but haven't so far been installed, think the last time they may have been postponed due to the snow.
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Found out today, cabinet due to be put in 7-13 Feb 2013. Roadworks application already in.
Been told that cabinet expected to go into service late April/early May 2013.
Great news. Hopefully no more delays.
Yep, about 3 months Good stuff.
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I have been reading the whole thread here and while I do not live in your area, you have done very well to get things moving, even that it took a LONG time!
Well done.
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Thanks for the nice posts.
According to roadworks.org, the cabinet install date has moved forwards a few days to 4-8 Feb.
I'll be down there on Monday with my camera
Will update as and when anything worth mentioning.
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Looks like I'll miss it by a day or two then, as down that way at the weekend.
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Bah, no sign of BTOpenreach today to fit the cabinet.
So much for roadworks.org 4-8 Feb 2013.
Must be placeholder dates.
My contact in BTOpenreach did say 7 Feb, so I'll keep an eye out.
Camera at the ready!
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Workmen today!
Trench dug, and cable conduit gone in. Cabinet coming Thursday apparently.
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That's quick, are they putting it in the correct place?
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Yeah, I was onto the BTOpenreach project manager before the ink had even dried on the planning approval (10 Jan)
In right place, but surprisingly not being cabled to the original cabinet across the road, but to an underground junction adjacent to new cabinet placing (hope that's described correctly)
So should be up and running quicker(?). Cabinet is being delivered and placed Thurs 7 Feb according to the workmen. They reckon it will be up and running in about a month. BTO PM told me late April/early May.
I took some pics today and got the workmen hot brews, was quite cold in the wind!
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As long as they can pull the cables through the existing ducting, they won't need to run new ducts all the way, so that makes sense.
They will need to connect the electric supply via a seperate trench, which should be scheduled on roadworks.org or your council website.
Also the tie cables will need to be installed and fibre will need to be blown in.
Edited by R0NSKI (Tue 05-Feb-13 15:39:08)
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Yeah I understand the 'stage' process before service available
As you say next stage will be power being put in, nothing showing on roadworks yet
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Getting the power can sometimes delays things.
The cab I'm connected to went in in April last year and the power wasn't connected until the beginning of October.
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Cabinet was meant to go in today...
Sadly, no sign of any workmen all day
Lets see what tomorrow brings..
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No workmen today either (so far anyway)
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No workmen or cabinet again today. Was supposed to have been put in last week. Not great weather today tho.
I was hoping for a quicker than normal deployment with everything that's gone on.
Fingers crossed I guess...
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Is there still works there with barriers around them? If so at least they'll be back soon. Some of our remaining cabinets keep getting scheduled, but never seem to be installed.
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No workmen or cabinet again today. Was supposed to have been put in last week. Not great weather today tho.
I was hoping for a quicker than normal deployment with everything that's gone on.
Fingers crossed I guess...
I have seen a few that have been delayed. I'm afraid you're not a special case and Openreach will I'm sure deal with your cabinet in the same manner as all the others - another streetworks application and install ASAP.
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Is there still works there with barriers around them? If so at least they'll be back soon. Some of our remaining cabinets keep getting scheduled, but never seem to be installed.
Yes, still big hole there ready for the cabinet with barriers from last week when they put the underground ducting in. Nothing since. I was told by the BT Openreach Project manager previously, and the workmen last week that the cabinet was going in last Thursday (7 Feb).
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No workmen or cabinet again today. Was supposed to have been put in last week. Not great weather today tho.
I was hoping for a quicker than normal deployment with everything that's gone on.
Fingers crossed I guess...
I have seen a few that have been delayed. I'm afraid you're not a special case and Openreach will I'm sure deal with your cabinet in the same manner as all the others - another streetworks application and install ASAP.
Considering I am in direct contact with the BT Openreach Project manager & the BT Regional manager, and with all the publicity I thought it might have been
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No workmen or cabinet again today. Was supposed to have been put in last week. Not great weather today tho.
I was hoping for a quicker than normal deployment with everything that's gone on.
Fingers crossed I guess...
I have seen a few that have been delayed. I'm afraid you're not a special case and Openreach will I'm sure deal with your cabinet in the same manner as all the others - another streetworks application and install ASAP.
Considering I am in direct contact with the BT Openreach Project manager & the BT Regional manager, and with all the publicity I thought it might have been
Setting a precedent based on who does the most pestering wouldn't be wise.
I'm in touch with people more senior still and when I enquired about expediting things was told:
As you can appreciate - the commercial programme is complex and rigorously planned with many criteria taken into consideration - we will not change timescales - but at least you can say you tried!
This with national level publicity, local and national government involvement.
It's hardly fair on anyone else for their installs to get bumped because you're emailing / phoning people.
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Is there still works there with barriers around them? If so at least they'll be back soon. Some of our remaining cabinets keep getting scheduled, but never seem to be installed.
Yes, still big hole there ready for the cabinet with barriers from last week when they put the underground ducting in. Nothing since. I was told by the BT Openreach Project manager previously, and the workmen last week that the cabinet was going in last Thursday (7 Feb).
Check local street works notifications. The most recent delay I've dealt with was a cabinet scheduled to go in between 30th January and 6th February which was pushed back to 20th - 26th February initially with power to follow between 4th and 8th of March.
The cabinet install date has been amended to 12th - 18th February however power is still going to be connected in March as it stands right now.
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I have seen a few that have been delayed. I'm afraid you're not a special case and Openreach will I'm sure deal with your cabinet in the same manner as all the others - another streetworks application and install ASAP.
Considering I am in direct contact with the BT Openreach Project manager & the BT Regional manager, and with all the publicity I thought it might have been
Setting a precedent based on who does the most pestering wouldn't be wise.
I'm in touch with people more senior still and when I enquired about expediting things was told:
As you can appreciate - the commercial programme is complex and rigorously planned with many criteria taken into consideration - we will not change timescales - but at least you can say you tried!
This with national level publicity, local and national government involvement.
It's hardly fair on anyone else for their installs to get bumped because you're emailing / phoning people.
I think you're extremely naive if you think things can't, won't or aren't moved by people. If I had paid attention to your sort of attitude, nothing would have been done here yet.
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Is there still works there with barriers around them? If so at least they'll be back soon. Some of our remaining cabinets keep getting scheduled, but never seem to be installed.
Yes, still big hole there ready for the cabinet with barriers from last week when they put the underground ducting in. Nothing since. I was told by the BT Openreach Project manager previously, and the workmen last week that the cabinet was going in last Thursday (7 Feb).
Check local street works notifications. The most recent delay I've dealt with was a cabinet scheduled to go in between 30th January and 6th February which was pushed back to 20th - 26th February initially with power to follow between 4th and 8th of March.
The cabinet install date has been amended to 12th - 18th February however power is still going to be connected in March as it stands right now.
If you had bothered to read this thread, rather than what appears to be blindly posting on it,you would have noticed that I am well aware of streetwork notifications, I had even previously answered one of your posts that I had been checking it. Your posts are not helpful.
Edited by deleted (Wed 13-Feb-13 09:04:26)
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The part of my post which should have been useful was referring to a cabinet where the PM hasn't been getting pestered multiple times a week being rescheduled to within 2 weeks of original installation date.
The information I gave you was from a step below board level not some random thing I made up, yours is one of hundreds of cabinets which had planning issues and likely one of tens if not hundreds where residents consulted with Openreach and council, though they did it without airing every detail on this forum. Work will get rescheduled for as soon as possible to minimise delays by default and streetworks notification will probably appear shortly.
I gave you as much information as anyone on this forum can, a similar case where weather delayed installation, go get stroppy with the Openreach PM for daring to carry on with schedules and service other people with the resources in his local area rather than dropping everything to prioritise you if this frustrates you.
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I think you're extremely naive if you think things can't, won't or aren't moved by people. If I had paid attention to your sort of attitude, nothing would have been done here yet.
I think you're being presumptuous if you think that's my sort of attitude. I have spent the past year campaigning to turn an unviable area viable.
Per my previous post go strop at the PM for daring to not tell his crews to drop everything and install you first. I mean it's not like he's managing anything other than your cabinet install and it's not like he doesn't work for you personally, right?
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I think you're extremely naive if you think things can't, won't or aren't moved by people. If I had paid attention to your sort of attitude, nothing would have been done here yet.
I think you're being presumptuous if you think that's my sort of attitude. I have spent the past year campaigning to turn an unviable area viable.
Per my previous post go strop at the PM for daring to not tell his crews to drop everything and install you first. I mean it's not like he's managing anything other than your cabinet install and it's not like he doesn't work for you personally, right?
You are the one making all the presumptions.
As I said, your posts are not helpful.
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Just been down there, and the new cabinet is sitting pretty in it's new concrete base!
Even though there was no roadworks notification. Ssshhh
Cabinet a lot smaller than the one proposed.
One step nearer to service..
new cabinet
Edited by deleted (Wed 13-Feb-13 14:39:49)
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Nice new cab you have there, shame they didn't just cut the paving to fit back around it.
Looks the same as the one's we have, which are ECI cabs.
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Nice new cab you have there, shame they didn't just cut the paving to fit back around it.
Looks the same as the one's we have, which are ECI cabs.
hi Ronski
They must have been rushing off to get back to the work they should have been doing
Are ECI cabs a new design? Do they have less or same amount of capacity?
Fingers crossed for next stage to happen soon now
New pic to show width better
Don
new cabinet 2
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They've been around for at least a year, and probably longer, our first one appeared a year ago. This is one of ours, although it has now been removed as was incorrectly placed.
They are an ECI 128 line cab.
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With the cabinet appearing and size of the thread stretching page width, time to close the thread.
A part 2 is perfectly OK, just start and post a link to the original thread so people can look at the history if they wish.
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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