FTTC - TT or Plusnet

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 24-Oct-13 15:40:37)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Are you meaning FTTC and line to PlusNet?

Edited by deleted (Thu 24-Oct-13 16:44:11)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

There is a relationship between FTTC and ADSL2+ LLU in that the fibre from the cabinet is fed at the exchange into either a BT Wholesale MSAN for non-LLU, or a TalkTalk LLU one on their service. You therefore experience any congestion or controls that may exist within their respective backhauls from the exchange, internal routing, and connections out to the wider internet.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

either a BT Wholesale MSAN for non-LLU, or a TalkTalk LLU one on their service

In reply to a post by Ronski:

Its LLU from the exchange, not the cabinet.

Edited by deleted (Thu 24-Oct-13 22:39:14)

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 25-Oct-13 00:22:00)

In reply to a post by Speedchaser:

just as I would expect a non-LLU service via adsl to be worse?

Don't! In the case of FTTC it is even more identical as everything back to ISP's exchange kit is unchanged and controlled by BTOR.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Didn't I cover all this in my earlier post in this thread?

In reply to a post by Speedchaser:

Are you saying do not switch to Plusnet FTTC if the do not have LLU at my cabinet/exchange?

In reply to a post by Speedchaser:

I want to switch to Plusnet non LLU FTTC or TT LLU FTTC. What I'm trying to find out is would the TT service be inherently better? Or in other words would the non LLU FTTC service provided by Plusnet be inherently inferior due to being a non LLU service?

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Edited by 4M2 (Fri 25-Oct-13 12:29:36)

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 25-Oct-13 14:24:07)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

He's already on FTTC, with BT. Any estimate is likely to be wrong, in either direction.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Nobody knows. Some magic calculation within Openreach it seems. Don't forget they were all revised hugely downwards only a few months ago.

Suffice to say that if you've had FTTC for a while and haven't complained about it being wildly under-performing, then the connection speed you have isn't going to change if you migrate. Other than whatever normally happens with a re-sync.

Edited by 4M2 (Fri 25-Oct-13 16:06:57)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Suffice to say that if you've had FTTC for a while and haven't complained about it being wildly under-performing, then the connection speed you have isn't going to change if you migrate

Edited by deleted (Fri 25-Oct-13 15:18:07)

I did originally complain to BT and they sent out an engineer. He thought my speed was quite astonishing compared to how far from the cabinet I am. 'He said'... he had installed FTTC for others( in different areas)about as far from the cabinet as me who couldn't get a usable speed.

In reply to a post by Speedchaser:

I went from BT ADSL to BT FTTC because at the time FTTC (with 40gig cap) was cheaper than ADSL. Also promised large speeds that didn't happen in the real world but as I increased from 6mps down and 0.4 up to 11mps down and 1mps up I was happy enough.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Similarly, if you order online from PlusNet and it shows that 24Mbps figure during the process, that will be junk in the BT Wholesale database. Your connection speed will be as now.

Edited by deleted (Fri 25-Oct-13 22:52:28)

Edited by deleted (Fri 25-Oct-13 23:27:40)

In reply to a post by Speedchaser:

you're saying if I switch to Plusnet and they are able to deliver a faster service (for whatever reason) as they use BT Wholesale my speed will be kept at the slower current 11mps?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

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Edited by kasg (Sat 26-Oct-13 12:05:57)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I believe that if you and family are between you doing multiple tasks simultaneously, such as gaming, TV catchup, YouTube, browsing and downloading, PlusNet will give the best overall experience because the traffic management stops gaming and browsing getting swamped by the heavier less time-critical download stuff.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

It doesn't slow anything if there is capacity for everything. What is does is make sure your TV/VOIP/Gaming or other time-critical stuff gets supplied, then lets the downloading have the rest. Conventional traffic management would speed-cap the download, possibly unnecessarily.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

But it makes assumptions that person A's traffic (a download) is less important than person B's traffic (watching iPlayer) and they both pay the same.

Edited by billford (Wed 30-Oct-13 20:34:29)

In reply to a post by billford:

Not less important- just the end result in less affected by slow-downs.

A managed download will get there in the end, an unmanaged one can cause time-critical usage such as iPlayer (or Skype, gaming etc) to be unusable.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Fine, charge them more, or charge the downloader less.

Or charge them all the same and don't differentiate.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Or charge them all the same and don't differentiate. Which is why I'm not a PlusNet customer

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Or charge them all the same and don't differentiate. Which is why I'm not a PlusNet customer

Strange that we're beginning to get complaints about BT connections slowing down. Maybe all non-Sky heavy downloaders have gone there. Which on PlusNet wouldn't matter.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I have a feeling, nothing more, that Sky may be the one with the best performing network. BT and PlusNet next of the big/cheap ones, order unknown.

Edited by deleted (Thu 31-Oct-13 15:23:19)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

For me the BT network works fine, I would just like the ability to have IPv6, and none of the networks with sufficient usage provide that at a sensible price. So my second option is to get one with a static IPv4 and then have a tunnel. That leaves out Sky/BT/TalkTalk and even Virgin Media as none of them offer static IP.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Or charge them all the same and don't differentiate. Which is why I'm not a PlusNet customer

Strange that we're beginning to get complaints about BT connections slowing down. Maybe all non-Sky heavy downloaders have gone there. Which on PlusNet wouldn't matter.

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In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I have a feeling, nothing more, that Sky may be the one with the best performing network. BT and PlusNet next of the big/cheap ones, order unknown.

For me the BT network works fine, I would just like the ability to have IPv6, and none of the networks with sufficient usage provide that at a sensible price. So my second option is to get one with a static IPv4 and then have a tunnel. That leaves out Sky/BT/TalkTalk and even Virgin Media as none of them offer static IP.

In reply to a post by mpellatt:

Hope it's not grandma and eggs and all that, but you do know that Hurricane will tunnel to a dynamic IPv4 endpoint (so that works out-of-the box with pfSense) and SIXXS works with AYIYA (worked for me with Linux but gave up with pfSense and went to Hurricane)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

where are these complaints?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

where are these complaints?

Four in this thread for a start. One looks like a normal crosstalk or interleaving effect, one an electrical storm. Two yet to be explained.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

That leaves out Sky/BT/TalkTalk and even Virgin Media as none of them offer static IP.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

That leaves out Sky/BT/TalkTalk and even Virgin Media as none of them offer static IP.

You can get a static ip address on Talktalk residential, you just have to ask them very nicely on their forums

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

where are these complaints?

Four in this thread for a start. One looks like a normal crosstalk or interleaving effect, one an electrical storm. Two yet to be explained.

Could be explained by source speed limits. Nothing scientific yet.

Microsoft downloads still max out my 46 to 50 megabit line. Apple downloads are fast, but iTunes movie or TV show purchases seem to be rate limited to 20megabit.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Didn't I cover those two? I certainly covered the crosstalk one.

IIRC there are other threads but I can't be bothered. It's early days, so I'm content to wait and see if any more turn up.