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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 12-Apr-14 11:03:22
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ECI vs HG612


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Hi
My current modem is a ECI, but as I'm changing providers in 10 days I thought it might be worth trying a HG612 on my line.

Should the HG612 work as well with my line ? Will it cause me any issues with my current setup or the new connection from PlusNet ?

I'll be looking to get it fro eBay and unlocking it.

Thanks.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 12-Apr-14 11:17:20
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Should work with no problems

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 12-Apr-14 11:47:58
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Thanks..
Thought it would be interesting to see what the stats are.


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 12-Apr-14 12:00:49
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I had an ECI as well but I've been having issues with my line (started off at 53meg 3 months ago, now down to 32meg) so I decided to get a HG612 and unlock it so I can see the stats, using the latest firmware etc from the HG612 I've got a slightly higher sync than I had but with the added bonus of being able to see the stats.
Standard User R0NSKI
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 12-Apr-14 13:25:40
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The HG612 modems with the newer firmware seem to give better results, especially on longer lines. There also no need to match the modem make to the cabinet make, it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 12-Apr-14 22:50:49
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Thanks for the replies.. Just bought one from eBay so will be looking to set it up once I get it.

Only really looking to unlock it, give it an address on my network and that's about it for now.
Is it simply unlock and swap with the ECI modem or is there anything else I'll need to do. ? Any other config needed ?

Also I'm currently with BT if playing and swapping the modem messes up my line and connection speed, will all that be reset when I migrate to Plus Net on the 23rd ?

Thanks
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 12-Apr-14 23:32:32
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Yes, just unlock and swap. If you want to check it's working before you do that, just swap. I advise you do in case it's dodgy. Remember you may need to do a factory reset.

Initially no other config changes needed. I haven't done, but some like to turn off QoS and TR069.

It won't mess anything up, so no-one can answer that!

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Apr-14 15:08:24
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[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Thanks
Collected, unlocked, installed and working smile

STATS..
How does this look ? anything to be concerned about ?
Any way to find out what's in the cabinet ?

Thanks..

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# xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY statusStatus: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26713 Kbps, Downstream rate = 78356 KbpsBearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 78364 Kbps
 Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex BVDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No DefectTraining Status:        Showtime
                Down            UpSNR (dB):        6.3             9.7
Attn(dB):        13.3            0.0Pwr(dBm):        13.8            2.0
                        VDSL2 framing                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              150B:              239             236
M:              1               1T:              23              5
R:              0               16S:              0.0975          0.3771
L:              19696           5410D:              1               1
I:              240             255N:              240             255
                        Counters                        Bearer 0
OHF:            1050867         289491OHFErr:         1               2
RS:             0               1627773RSCorr:         0               10
RSUnCorr:       0               0 
                        Bearer 0HEC:            2               0
OCD:            0               0LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    267180768               0Data Cells:     5818776         0
Drop Cells:     0Bit Errors:     0               0
 ES:             1               2
SES:            0               0UAS:            26              26
AS:             1774 
                        Bearer 0INP:            0.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00delay:          0               0
PER:            1.68            6.15OR:             113.73          202.87
AgR:            78477.44        20203.27 
Bitswap:        736/736         0/0 
Total time = 30 min 0 secFEC:            0               10
CRC:            1               2ES:             1               2
SES:            0               0UAS:            26              26
LOS:            0               0LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0Latest 15 minutes time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 secFEC:            0               1
CRC:            1               0ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0Latest 1 day time = 30 min 0 sec
FEC:            0               10CRC:            1               2
ES:             1               2SES:            0               0
UAS:            26              26LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 secFEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0Since Link time = 29 min 33 sec
FEC:            0               10CRC:            1               2
ES:             1               2SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0LOM:            0               0


Thanks
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sun 13-Apr-14 15:13:39
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Looks fine to me, but I'm no expert at VDSL2 stats.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User JB68
(regular) Sun 13-Apr-14 16:13:30
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Looks fine to me smile
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Apr-14 17:06:12
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cheers - thought I'd have a look..

I was hoping to see if the line would support more for the future.
anyway I can find out what the max the line could support ?
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sun 13-Apr-14 17:23:33
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In reply to a post by MrPete:
cheers - thought I'd have a look..

I was hoping to see if the line would support more for the future.
anyway I can find out what the max the line could support ?


The info is there - line 6 MAX Upstream and Downstream You have some headroom on upstream but downstream is maxed out on VDSL2 17A.

If Vectoring comes about you might get more, but no guarantees and if BT moved to a 30MHz bandwidth you might again get a little more.


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Standard User think26872
(committed) Sun 13-Apr-14 18:08:53
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Could you post approx how far away from the cabinet you are using the measuring tool on Google Maps or similar? Thanks
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 13-Apr-14 21:54:03
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In reply to a post by think26872:
Could you post approx how far away from the cabinet you are using the measuring tool on Google Maps or similar? Thanks


Approx 250 - 300 mtrs depending which route they ran the phone line..
Was there a specific reason to know ?

Regards
Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Mon 14-Apr-14 13:39:08
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In reply to a post by MrPete:
Any way to find out what's in the cabinet ?
Certainly. wink

xdslcmd info --vendor

If the output shows an Infineon chipset is in use, it is an ECI MSAN/DSLAM whereas it the output shows a Broadcom chipset is in use, it is a Huawei MSAN/DSLAM.

100% Linux and, previously, Unix.
Standard User lockyatlrg
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 14-Apr-14 14:17:59
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The ECI is 1 - 2 ms faster than the HG612.

BT Infinity
ROUTER:-Netgear WNDR37AV
JDSU Stats
Attainable 105977D 38659U
Sync 79999D 20000U
Attenuation: 5.4 SNR: Down 13.1 Up 24.3
Line Length 160meters
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 14-Apr-14 14:21:40
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Or, if you haven't an unlocked modem (I know he has), look at the cabinet tongue smile.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 58.7/14.6Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User burakkucat
(experienced) Mon 14-Apr-14 14:40:51
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tongue wink

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 14-Apr-14 14:45:00
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The statistics look fine, but the modem hadn't been connected for very long. That makes it hard to tell whether you suffer from many errors: just that you haven't for the 30 minutes.

DLM has not requested intervention (INP and "delay" are both zero, both downstream and upstream). Your modem isn't using any error correction or interleaving downstream, but it has elected to make use of error correction upstream (R=16, N=255) with interleaving off (I=0). Mine does this too, with similar settings; I suspect that it chooses to use a little of the spare bandwidth upstream: A max attainable of 26Mbps vs the top package speed of 20Mbps gives plenty of room for this minimal level of FEC (which is 6%, or around 1.2Mbps).

Your attenuation level is slightly lower than mine, suggesting that you have a slightly shorter line (mine is 16.4dB), but you get slightly lower speeds (mine is 80Mbps with a maximum attainable of 82Mbps). I guess you suffer from slightly more crosstalk than my line.

As for errors: you only had one in the 30 minutes, so is pretty low - especially if it keeps that up day-in and day-out.

My line achieves this:
ES:             47709           9520
SES:            663             0
UAS:            59              46
AS:             4942742

and
Total time = 1 days 11 hours 36 min 23 sec
(This time is wrong)
FEC:            0               149628
CRC:            472793          12191
ES:             47709           9520
SES:            663             0
UAS:            59              46
LOS:            1               0
LOF:            13              0
LOM:            2               0

That shows that my uptime is 4,942,742s (or 57.2 days). That means I'm running at about 8,000 CRC's per day (near 350 per hour), and about 800 ES's per day - without DLM intervention. I think it is mainly the ES and SES rates that DLM monitors.

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 14-Apr-14 16:19:04
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Thanks for the replies and advice on my stats.

This is how it's looking 24 hours in:

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# xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY statusStatus: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26381 Kbps, Downstream rate = 76936 KbpsBearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 78364 Kbps
 Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex BVDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No DefectTraining Status:        Showtime
                Down            UpSNR (dB):        5.9             9.5
Attn(dB):        13.3            0.0Pwr(dBm):        13.8            2.1
                        VDSL2 framing                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              150B:              239             236
M:              1               1T:              23              5
R:              0               16S:              0.0975          0.3771
L:              19696           5410D:              1               1
I:              240             255N:              240             255
                        Counters                        Bearer 0
OHF:            54809222                1410500OHFErr:         115             95
RS:             0               2164321RSCorr:         0               703
RSUnCorr:       0               0 
                        Bearer 0HEC:            206             0
OCD:            4               0LCD:            4               0
Total Cells:    1052160345              0Data Cells:     213293155               0
Drop Cells:     0Bit Errors:     0               0
 ES:             100             94
SES:            0               0UAS:            26              26
AS:             92525 
                        Bearer 0INP:            0.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00delay:          0               0
PER:            1.68            6.15OR:             113.73          202.87
AgR:            78477.44        20203.27 
Bitswap:        57785/57785             696/703 
Total time = 1 days 1 hours 42 min 31 secFEC:            0               703
CRC:            115             95ES:             100             94
SES:            0               0UAS:            26              26
LOS:            0               0LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 31 sec
FEC:            0               3CRC:            3               1
ES:             2               1SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 secFEC:            0               13
CRC:            2               1ES:             2               1
SES:            0               0UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0Latest 1 day time = 1 hours 42 min 31 sec
FEC:            0               48CRC:            9               8
ES:             8               8SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 secFEC:            0               655
CRC:            106             87ES:             92              86
SES:            0               0UAS:            26              26
LOS:            0               0LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0Since Link time = 1 days 1 hours 42 min 5 sec
FEC:            0               703CRC:            115             95
ES:             100             94SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0LOM:            0               0
#


As far as I know there have been no reboots !
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 14-Apr-14 16:28:23
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In reply to a post by MrPete:
This is how it's looking 24 hours in:

No problems there.

As far as I know there have been no reboots !

No resyncs, and no reboots.

If there were resyncs, you'd see that the "UAS" figure would increase, by the amount of time for a resync. If there were a reboot, all the times would go back to zero.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 14-Apr-14 19:24:29
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In reply to a post by WWWombat:
In reply to a post by MrPete:
This is how it's looking 24 hours in:

No problems there.

As far as I know there have been no reboots !

No resyncs, and no reboots.

If there were resyncs, you'd see that the "UAS" figure would increase, by the amount of time for a resync. If there were a reboot, all the times would go back to zero.


Great thanks for the info smile
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