FTTP (future)

I know that BT are trial FTTP in most area, but if u placed an order for FTTP, does it mean that it must have BT Openreach specialist engineer to installing FTTP at the property as they probably won't let any third party engineers to do this job?

If you area is FTTP ready then as far as I know, the only engineers trusted with splicing are Openreach employees.

Happy to be corrected though. There's an engieer or two on here who I'm sure will be able to confirm or otherwise

Thanks as I am moving to FTTP area next month. No longer with Cuckoo Oak exchange.

If the previous occupant (if not a new build) has had FTTP then it should just be a phone call to activate service. Similarly if it is newbuild, lots of developers have the kit ready installed for move in day, in either case you wouldn't need an engineer visit.

Can confirm. Only employees for residential FTTP.

And if a new build the developer may have ignored prepping for FTTP.

See my post a minute ago max. Have you checked it is actually available at the property? Not just the area, and not just what the BTW estimator says.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 05-Apr-16 10:17:06)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Thanks as I am moving to FTTP area next month.

Do you think it will be fast enough for you?

Do you think it will be fast enough for you?

Please don't rattle his cage Rastus

Yeah my whole arena says FTTC/FTTP

but its actually only EO lines for FTTP :c

I moving to North Yorkshire next month with post code YO8 8QR. BT Checker say I will get FTTP 330/30 with telephone exchange named Burn.

BT BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Address *** *****, HIRST COURTNEY, SELBY, YO8 8QR on Exchange BURN is served by Cabinet 1

Featured Products


Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)


Downstream Range(Mbps)


Availability Date
WBC FTTP Up to 330 Up to 30 -- Available

ADSL Max Up to 1 -- 0.75 to 2.5 Available
Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:- Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG partial Direct In Ground.

Not far from me, yeah Burn (MYBRN) is a small exchange only 300 odd premises on it they didn't enable cabinet 1 for FTTC probably due to the long lines that are connected to the cabinet like in Hirst Courtney, but im sure other people will tell me the exact reason why it got FTTP instead. Hope you enjoy the fast speeds while im stuck at 21mbps

Looks like you are in luck.

Will you get the expensive 330 package or go for the 40Mb cheap one. Will be good to see your speedtest if you get the high speed variant.

You will have to change user name to FTTPMax if you get 220 one!

Yeah will going thinkbroadband speed test soon when I moved there but don't know how long does it take for FTTP to activated once u placed an order with ISP. Going for 330/30 but sadly plusnet will not doing this anymore. I have to search for ISP who will do home FTTP 330/30.

Edited by adslmax (Tue 05-Apr-16 20:06:41)

Question to ask this does my current Billion 8800NL support FTTP? If not support this will OPenreach provided FTTP modem with wifi router?

No third party routers plug directly into the fibre itself, you MUST use an Openreach ONT and then take the Ethernet to what ever router you choose or ISP provides

Is that true someone saying that placed an order for FTTP is a nightmare with engineer as it sometimes take a month to installing after survey?

known some to take a year.. assuming there is no FTTP at the property already then 1 month from survey would be lucky

Edited by deleted (Tue 05-Apr-16 20:38:07)

It all depends on how much of the infrastructure is in place when you move...

From point of order to final install, mine was about 3 weeks. Yours may be longer.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Yeah will going thinkbroadband speed test soon when I moved there but don't know how long does it take for FTTP to activated once u placed an order with ISP. Going for 330/30 but sadly plusnet will not doing this anymore. I have to search for ISP who will do home FTTP 330/30.

That'd be BT or BT.

That'd be BT or BT.

I really fail to understand other CP's willingness to use the Openreach FTTP network ? What do they hope to gain by not doing so ?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:- Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG partial Direct In Ground.

This could be interesting.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

That'd be BT or BT.

I really fail to understand other CP's willingness to use the Openreach FTTP network ? What do they hope to gain by not doing so ?

They gain not paying out for the extra Cablelink and saving money on training staff and programming internal systems.

Had Openreach not deployed FTTP in such a backside about face way they may have not set a record for most expensive and slow FTTP rollout in Christendom and deployed it more widely. Had they deployed it more widely that might have made it more commercially viable for other people than the anchor tenant, BT Wholesale.

Case in point - that wonderful new pre-connectorised fibre being trialled in Huntingdon? Verizon's FiOS installs were using it in 2005, Centurylink and AT&T have also used pre-connectorised from the start.

Does FTTP require a separate GEA cable link from FTTC? Don't they join up at an aggregation point on the way to the exchange? Or at least on whatever the OR termination kit at the exchange is called.

Edited by RobertoS (Wed 06-Apr-16 00:15:38)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I know that BT are trial FTTP in most area, but if u placed an order for FTTP, does it mean that it must have BT Openreach specialist engineer to installing FTTP at the property as they probably won't let any third party engineers to do this job?

Don't waste your dosh bud .. 'some' TBB experts are now telling us we don't need the Superfast broadband we are using. 20Mb is just fine for an average family in the year 2016..

Hey just think about all that wasted dosh you will save and you can then spend it on 'things' that will enhance your future in this amazing digital revolution that we are so lucky to be part of

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Does FTTP require a separate GEA cable link from FTTC? Don't they join up at an aggregation point on the way to the exchange? Or at least on whatever the OR termination kit at the exchange is called.

I think @ignition has a different idea (to me) of where the GPON OLT sits within Openreach (ie where the GPON fibres are terminated/lit), where the FTTC uplink fibres terminate (in their OLT) and where the handover node (ie the layer 2 switch) sits.

To me, they are all in the same place - the OLT in the head-end exchange - but I could be wrong; they could be in separate locations - with some form of "uplink" fibre running from the OLTs into the handover node.

The one clear example I have seen comes from @MrSaffron's photos in Cornwall, of a single OLT/handover node. This happens to be an ECI node:
http://coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-cornwall/
See picture 22, but 20 and 23 are also relevant.

These pictures are of an ECI F-152 OLT.

In 22, it looks like
- All the GPON fibres terminate on the 6 rightmost cards, where fibres slant upwards.
- The centremost 2 cards (that have no fibres, and bulge outwards) are the switching fabric, that act as the layer 2 switch.
- Either side of these 2 cards are the 2 cards that terminate the fibres from FTTC cabs. I think these are 1000base-BX, with one fibre used to each cab, carrying both TX and RX lasers.
- The leftmost card terminates the handover cablelinks. These are more standard GbE 1000base-LX links, with a pair of fibres each - one TX, one RX.

If my interpretation is right, then one cablelink (pair) there handles both FTTC and FTTP. In this case, 48 FTTP splitters (up to 1536 properties) and 24 FTTC cabinets (up to 6912 properties).

It is plausible that this isn't a handover node, and the leftmost card holds Openreach-only upstream cables to a remote handover node. If so, then a single cablelink there would still handle both FTTC and FTTP traffic.

@ignition would be right if FTTP GPON fibres terminated in a separate OLT from the FTTC fibres. This could happen in some places.

I don't know what happens in the Huawei estate, but their equivalent to the F-152 is their MA-5600T OLT.
http://e.huawei.com/uk/products/fixed-network/access...

In reply to a post by djfunkdup:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I know that BT are trial FTTP in most area, but if u placed an order for FTTP, does it mean that it must have BT Openreach specialist engineer to installing FTTP at the property as they probably won't let any third party engineers to do this job?

Don't waste your dosh bud .. 'some' TBB experts are now telling us we don't need the Superfast broadband we are using. 20Mb is just fine for an average family in the year 2016..

Hey just think about all that wasted dosh you will save and you can then spend it on 'things' that will enhance your future in this amazing digital revolution that we are so lucky to be part of

Just remember, opinions are like bumholes, everyone has one, and everyone else's but your own stinks

Whilst your post is probable sarcasm about a post by someone in a different forum on a previous day, it's getting a bit boring and therefore irritating as IIRC it's the third time and helps nobody.

Even if taken literally, in this case it would be completely silly in view of the ADSL2+ estimate posted by the OP for the premises.

This could be interesting.

This could be a trench up Max's drive.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Do you think it will be fast enough for you?

Please don't rattle his cage ...

As if

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

This could be a trench up Max's drive.

Which I guess could involve excess construction costs needing to be paid in some circumstances?

"'some' TBB experts are now telling us we don't need the Superfast broadband we are using"

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Do you mean tbb staff and thus its an official position, or are you saying visitors to tbb?

Was the main node serving 8 other exchanges.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

"'some' TBB experts are now telling us we don't need the Superfast broadband we are using"

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Do you mean tbb staff and thus its an official position, or are you saying visitors to tbb?

He's referring to a post made by me on the Virgin v Openreach thread.

Pass.

I'm relaying what I was told by a CP with regards to Cablelinks I haven't looked into them with a great amount of detail. I'm aware that L2S and OLT at least can be the same chassis.

Regardless, excluding the 2k per L2S/OLT is a nice saving but doesn't change the tiny addressable customer base. Really not worth the while of most, and hence most don't bother with it.

Edited by deleted (Wed 06-Apr-16 13:00:32)

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

"'some' TBB experts are now telling us we don't need the Superfast broadband we are using"

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Do you mean tbb staff and thus its an official position, or are you saying visitors to tbb?

Sorry Mr S i should have made myself a bit clearer ..It was not any TBB staff members. But more than One guest member on this forum are of the opinion that superfast broadband is not required.20Mb is enough for a family size home to operate without contention issues ..

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Whilst your post is probable sarcasm about a post by someone in a different forum on a previous day, it's getting a bit boring and therefore irritating as IIRC it's the third time and helps nobody.

Even if taken literally, in this case it would be completely silly in view of the ADSL2+ estimate posted by the OP for the premises.

Roberto. Firstly it was not a different forum it was TBB. it was a different thread that the comments were made in.It was not a post by ONE person either.More than one user on this forum are of that opinion and agreed that superfast broadband is not required.



When i then asked the question : well why are the likes of BT and VM spending 10's of £millions on upgrading networks and providing fast broadband when it is not required ? the answer came back as willy waving by VM and BT are upgrading outdated ADSL networks that have degraded.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

"'some' TBB experts are now telling us we don't need the Superfast broadband we are using"

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Do you mean tbb staff and thus its an official position, or are you saying visitors to tbb?

He's referring to a post made by me on the Virgin v Openreach thread.

Eh actually i'm not lol it was in regards to a post made by another user ..But hey don't give up just quite yet.You're 15 min of fame might just be around the corner




Edit: Quote 'Average family is still 2.2. Let's say 4 for sake of argument.

20mbps / 4 = about 5mbps / person.

More than enough.

How much does anyone need as opposed to like?'

i thought that comment was quite sweet lol

This is from a different user and still not got to your comment yet lee


'It is true that most family homes find 20Mb/sec fast enough. And you'd be rather untypical to "need" fast internet all the time - if ever!

Edited by djfunkdup (Wed 06-Apr-16 16:43:04)

I keep being told the opposite, that I'm mad to have a 40/2 product on FTTP, when as a single person who just wants to use email/browse, download catch up TV and stream the odd movie that's fine for what I need and doesn't break the bank.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

This could be interesting.

This could be a trench up Max's drive.

I'm not sure you could've made that sound more wrong if you'd tried.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Was the main node serving 8 other exchanges.

Do you know the way traffic was presented at "this" exchange from the 8 child exchanges?

For example, in a manner that mirrored the "local" cabinets/splitters - GPON fibres and single fibres from ? Or in some other manner?

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Separately ...

I just realised that we can see a couple of features by looking at the second OLT in the rack (picture 23, or the bottom of picture 20)

- The second OLT is dimensioned slightly differently - it has one additional GPON card, and one fewer "FTTC" card.
- The second OLT supports considerably fewer locations at the time of the photo: just 8 GPON splitters and 12 FTTC cabinets.
- The second OLT has 5 pairs running into the "uplink card", just like the first OLT.

With both OLT's have 5 uplink fibre pairs, it could suggest they are being used because the serve 5 different destinations (eg 5 different CP's) rather than being needed for carrying a high volume of traffic. Does this favour them being cablelinks, rather than uplinks to a remote handover node?

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

I'm relaying what I was told by a CP with regards to Cablelinks I haven't looked into them with a great amount of detail. I'm aware that L2S and OLT at least can be the same chassis.

Yeah. I'm aware that the best example we have - with MrSaffron's photos - is also going to be wildly dissimilar to most of the country. Falmouth, being an ECI OLT with an awful lot of FTTP, is definitely not going to represent the norm within a big city, with almost no FTTP.

Regardless, excluding the 2k per L2S/OLT is a nice saving but doesn't change the tiny addressable customer base. Really not worth the while of most, and hence most don't bother with it.

Absolutely true for a national LLU/backhaul supplier, if separate handover nodes need to be supported.

But CP's using BTW as their basis should be able to cope with FTTP without such consideration.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

Do you know the way traffic was presented at "this" exchange from the 8 child exchanges?

For example, in a manner that mirrored the "local" cabinets/splitters - GPON fibres and single fibres from ? Or in some other manner?

There's no mapping between child exchanges and L2S, they are described as child exchanges due to the historical copper boundaries. They go wherever there's room on the headend.

Edited by deleted (Wed 06-Apr-16 17:52:17)

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

Yeah. I'm aware that the best example we have - with MrSaffron's photos - is also going to be wildly dissimilar to most of the country. Falmouth, being an ECI OLT with an awful lot of FTTP, is definitely not going to represent the norm within a big city, with almost no FTTP.

The 'almost' is superfluous in 6 of the UK's 10 largest

Falmouth's BDUK cabinets cover a few exchanges and are spread across 3 different OLT/L2S.

No idea about the original Cornwall build.

And there is the reality, there is no single one cap fits all scenario, i.e. we are all different. So hopefully people will accept that and if making any connection suggestions remember that their usage pattern is not necessarily the same as someone else.

It was at the end of a long day so difficult to recall several years down the line.