Code Look accuracy?

I'm on the Wickhambrook exchange which is due to have FTTC available on cabinet P1, and is due live by October 2016 according to Code Look.
I have yet to see any evidence of roadworks, actual or planned. Is this normal for Openreach?

Also I currently have the following statistics from my router.
Connection speed 8128Kbps
Downstream attenuation 17dB
Downstream noise margin 11dB

I am currently getting 6.52Mbps, according to Sam Knows, so given that I am 2,356m from cabinet P1 (Code Look) what speed may I reasonably expect, if this cabinet goes live?

I am 2,356m from cabinet P1 (Code Look) what speed may I reasonably expect, if this cabinet goes live?

If accurate then you can realistically expect no FTTC service available, or probably slower than your current connection

Thank you witchunt.

I sort of had that feeling, especially as the line appears to set off in the opposite direction to cabinet P1.

But now I'm confused by this calculator which seems to go against any chart I have ever seen.

That one seems to base on the attenuation only. There is no direct correlation with ADSL and VDSL. The frequencies are different and ADSL is from the exchange and vdsl is from the cabinets.

There is actually a chance that you could get a VDSL/FTTC service. I have oversight on on line which is around 2.8-3.0 km from the cabinet and that gets a around 2Mbps. A "neighbour" with about 2.5 to 2.8 sees about 5Mbps ...

Given that both of those are below your current ADSL speeds - you would actually be silly to consider changing.

Yes, that makes sense.
I hadn't remembered the higher frequency.

Just a heads up the distance thing on the codelook site is not the distance from you to the cabinet, but from you and your exchange.

But without a postcode to go by we cannot determine how far you are from your actual cabinet.

As for the accuracy of codelook, well they are using NGA document information I assume, so the info should be as correct as to openreach's database, that's assuming their information is correct as well.

I have FTTP and codelook still says that I cannot get fibre yet.

Paul

CB8 8YW

Well I "think" I have found your exchange located here size of an average shed, seems it caters for around 900 lines, so its a small exchange.

Not been able to find any cabinets due to Google Maps hasn't been in your area since 2009.

What also makes things hard is a lot of the roads are not even named on google maps and roadworks.

Are they new builds, I can see a lot of plots?

Paul

Thank you Paul

Yes the exchange does look like a converted brick shed

Most of the houses are either old thatched cottages, 10 plus years old "executive homes" or converted pub, school etc.

Going by P1s postcode, where it is shown on Code Look is about as close as it can be as the crow flies.

What is odd to me, is that there does not appear to be planned roadworks in the area in the next 12 months.

Roadworks aren't planned that far ahead from BT from what I know.

I've seen them appear one day for work to begin the next so just because it doesn't show anything for the next 12 months doesn't mean nothing will happen in the next 2 months.

In reply to a post by lee111s:

Roadworks aren't planned that far ahead from BT from what I know.

I've seen them appear one day for work to begin the next so just because it doesn't show anything for the next 12 months doesn't mean nothing will happen in the next 2 months.

I have seen near me BT requests for work to be done 6 to 8 months down the line, Virgin Media have done the same.

So it does happen.

Paul

In reply to a post by Thumper:

Thank you Paul

Yes the exchange does look like a converted brick shed

Most of the houses are either old thatched cottages, 10 plus years old "executive homes" or converted pub, school etc.

Going by P1s postcode, where it is shown on Code Look is about as close as it can be as the crow flies.

What is odd to me, is that there does not appear to be planned roadworks in the area in the next 12 months.

Maybe the fibre cabinet has been installed and is just waiting for the cabling and due to issues its been put on hold?

At the location it says the cabinet should be, is there anything?

As for nothing on the roadworks site for the next 12 months, might be right, but I have seen in my area work that just pops up to be done in the next week or so right up to being several months, so it can happen.

What you also need to understand, only stuff that require planning will show up, so if no road or pavement closure or digging up stuff, it might not even show up on roadworks.

I know a chamber down our road had o be enlarged to the new common sized one, this required the pavement to be closed off and bollards to be put up in the road for pedestrians to safely walk around it, this work was on roadworks 4 times before it was actually done.

Now the work at our Splitter Node (i.e. the re-splicing of all the fibres) which is located the bottom of our road on the corner wasn't even listed on the roadworks site.

So like I said not everything is.
The connecting of power and actual fibre cables should be though.

Paul

I had a look a couple of weeks ago when I drove through that area and saw nothing, not even an old cabinet.
I did see some old BT chamber covers when I went for a walk down there a couple of months ago.
With a few days off, I will go for another reconnaissance trip.

In reply to a post by Thumper:

I had a look a couple of weeks ago when I drove through that area and saw nothing, not even an old cabinet.
I did see some old BT chamber covers when I went for a walk down there a couple of months ago.
With a few days off, I will go for another reconnaissance trip.

I think SEP Suffolk is just running behind schedule that's all, cabinets 4 and 5 went live on 1st October (i.e. not long ago) cabinet 6 was also due the same time as cabinet 1, so they are both behind schedule.

Have you contacted SEP Suffolk, if so what have they said?

Paul

Given your ADSL downstream attenuation I would put your whole line at less than the distance that CodeLook has from you to the cabinet.

In reply to a post by Thumper:

I'm on the Wickhambrook exchange which is due to have FTTC available on cabinet P1, and is due live by October 2016 according to Code Look.

I find that mouselike.org tends to get the position of cabinets quite accurate, and it suggests for cab 1, is near "STRADISHALL CROSSROAD" (junction a143 and b1063) which looks quite near your postcode.

In reply to a post by ggremlin:

I find that mouselike.org tends to get the position of cabinets quite accurate, and it suggests for cab 1, is near "STRADISHALL CROSSROAD" (junction a143 and b1063) which looks quite near your postcode.

It doesn't if you can get fibre, all I get is the following:

Mapping data not found for POSTCODE.
We may be able to research this information, e-mail a request to [email protected] along with the info on this page.

It works fine when you cannot get fibre, like the homes the bottom of my road, but the top of our road and us it says it cannot map our location.

I did think it was where we have FTTP, so I did some checks for FTTC areas and all that could get FTTC also couldn't be mapped.

If you cannot get fibre and wanted to locate your PCP cabinet if you have one that is, then this site is fine.

Paul

In reply to a post by ggremlin:

In reply to a post by Thumper:

I'm on the Wickhambrook exchange which is due to have FTTC available on cabinet P1, and is due live by October 2016 according to Code Look.

I find that mouselike.org tends to get the position of cabinets quite accurate, and it suggests for cab 1, is near "STRADISHALL CROSSROAD" (junction a143 and b1063) which looks quite near your postcode.

Thank you

It looks like I've found the mysterious P1 cabinet.

It is less than 600m by line run away and in totally the opposite direction from the Code Look location.
So if they ever install the new cabinet, and it is in the same location, I may be able to get 50Mbps to start with.

I wonder where power might come from ... no street lights or illuminated signs close-by.

Yes, I was thinking that.
The bollards at the junction aren't illuminated either.

bearing in mind that codelook is for ISp and not jo public and should not be shared publically and is guidance only you could find out that when they surveyed it and found the cost of the power then the cabinet might not now being delivered / or might be shelved till the end of the prgoramme -- BDUk is about X coverage for Y funding = Z speeds over 24 m/bps and as long as that happens - difficult / expensive and problematica cabs will either be removed / shelved as they don't affect the overall number which is about coverage

In reply to a post by Fastman2:

bearing in mind that codelook is for ISp and not jo public and should not be shared publically............

Really? It is on an open website.
Apart from that I agree with you you 100%, the government targets are set so stupidly, that BT (OpenReach) has no option but to offer the possibility of a faster connection to the greatest number of premises for the lowest cost [edit: to BT].

Edited by deleted (Sat 24-Dec-16 20:36:09)

the website is public but the data is not and is upladed by someone working for an IISP using commercially senisitve data prvodied by Openreach which is not public domain information and only for the ISP's

so there is subject to change

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Dec-16 21:14:15)

your edit is fundamentally wrong

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the government targets are set so stupidly, that BT (OpenReach) has no option but to offer the possibility of a faster connection to the greatest number of premises for the lowest cost - (actually with the cosr peramater were set by each county and county had a price per premises cap it would, not exceed -- so question was usually what the maxium coverage we can get for the money -- nothing to do with cost to BT -- and all about Price per premises at the county level

some counties prioritised very expensive premises (well over the price pre premises cab) in early phases on their contract end so lost a 2 -3% coverage - overall by doing that and you covered significantly fewer premises than you would have done

The local FTTC gets its power from an existing traffic sign installation; but all the signs and light were removed, leaving an apparently unused, bare pole reaching skywards.

One sign was transferreded to another pole on the opposite side of the road; and if spotted by "users", guides them away at 90 degrees from the intended direction.

Collectively the traffic sign changes and removals are such that it raises questions of their present validity with respect to the legislation involved!

In reply to a post by Fastman2:

the website is public but the data is not

Well quite clearly that makes no sense. Either the data is or isn't available to "the public", and it is. As can be demonstrated, if you want to argue.

I don't think we should make a big point of this, by the way; because it was down to people reading too much into dates regarding the BT/OR checker ~2 or 3 years ago, and getting into a massive sulky abuse-torrent when the dates changed, which caused them to simply make less specific plans available to the public.

We just need to remember the word "plans", and what that means.

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Dec-16 14:18:41)

In reply to a post by gazzyk1ns:

Well quite clearly that makes no sense. Either the data is or isn't available to "the public", and it is. As can be demonstrated,

Like many such occasions when private data is made "available" to the public ... if it gets publicised too much, it disappears.

Came across a D-side of 2.3km last week. Speed was 4.5Mb on FTTC.

In reply to a post by Thumper:

Thank you Paul

Yes the exchange does look like a converted brick shed

Most of the houses are either old thatched cottages, 10 plus years old "executive homes" or converted pub, school etc.

Going by P1s postcode, where it is shown on Code Look is about as close as it can be as the crow flies.

What is odd to me, is that there does not appear to be planned roadworks in the area in the next 12 months.

The building in the foreground with "Exchange House" on it? No way is that the exchange. That's not a BT owned building. That looks to be the old exchange that has been sold and is now a house.

Suppose it could be the wooden building in the background.

Edited by deleted (Tue 27-Dec-16 10:39:17)

In reply to a post by Icaras:

Came across a D-side of 2.3km last week. Speed was 4.5Mb on FTTC.

Ouch
What would they of got via ADSLx ?

Paul

and people wonder why its get removbed -- !!!!! - I'm rather surprised its not been already - but I'm sure it will be !!!!

Plans change constantly especiailly in a BDUk area as its all about the overall coverage rather than the specific Boxes

those plans are shared by Openreach under NDA with service providers and that information is not to be downloaded on the public websites

As I originally posted, let's stop talking about it then.

The latest Better Broadband Suffolk Suffolk bulletin has cabinets 4 and 5 live as at 1 November but no plans for P1 before September 2017.

Of course the ISPs and Codelook can only have accurate date if the Openreach database is correct. I wish I had £1 for every time I have redirected an Openreach engineer from the cabinet that serves the public telephone box back to the cabinet a quarter of a mile away. 8 months after installation and two months after going "live" it still does not a have a post code reference.

I agree that it looks like a former exchange, given the vertically slatted blinds in the window.

But has PO Telephones or BT ever had a a wooden shed as a phone exchange, aside from possibly temporary ones or in very remote locations?

Given that security, both from human entry and from damage such as fire, all the small, very local exchanges I have encountered have generally been apparently robustly built; and as probable in this case, adopting local vernacular styles or very plain, stone-dashed finish.

Fencing?

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I recollect one former exchange being included in "Homes under the Hammer.

BT ever had a a wooden shed as a phone exchange

This one? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8160905,-4.8060269...

Wickhambrook exvhange

Thanks for the link; but unfortunately simply clicking on the link leads to the middle of Dunfermline-

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0659409,-3.4385242...

Whilst making use of the Lat/Long from the Link, in Google Earth, leads to a field in the middle of south-west Wales, to the north of the A46 -

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8160905,-4.8060269
(51 d 48.96543m; -4d 48361614m)

https://goo.gl/maps/VKxLjy4wftL2

Thanks, for the fast reply and update.

In reply to a post by witchunt:

Wickhambrook exvhange

That makes me 5km from the exchange, but I get 6.4Mbps average download speed?
I reckon it should be closer to 2Mbps?

In reply to a post by Thumper:

In reply to a post by witchunt:

Wickhambrook exvhange

That makes me 5km from the exchange, but I get 6.4Mbps average download speed?
I reckon it should be closer to 2Mbps?

I don't see how it makes you 5k from the exchange.
it appears the exchange to cab 1 distance is under 400m, and you said cab 1 is about 600m from you.
total 1km

Ah, that is because it isn't.
When I put a marker on street-view and set it to navigate to my house, the pin is in a totally different location to the exchange.
[Edit: so your location looks to be correct. Thank you.]

Edited by deleted (Fri 30-Dec-16 11:49:23)

it was witchunt who got the exchange location.

and in this case yea, codelook is not good for accuracy!, However, generally they are a VERY good resorce

In reply to a post by ggremlin:

it was witchunt who got the exchange location.

and in this case yea, codelook is not good for accuracy!, However, generally they are a VERY good resorce

Thank you to all of you for your responses, with special thanks to witchunt for locating my local exchange.

Indecently, I greatly appreciate the information codelook provides.

Edited by deleted (Fri 30-Dec-16 22:58:14)

In reply to a post by gerarda:

Of course the ISPs and Codelook can only have accurate data if the Openreach database is correct. I wish I had £1 for every time I have redirected an Openreach engineer from the cabinet that serves the public telephone box back to the cabinet a quarter of a mile away. 8 months after installation and two months after going "live" it still does not a have a post code reference.

I wonder if someone from Openreach reads this forum. Codelook now shows the postcode for our (not so) new cabinet.

In reply to a post by gerarda:

In reply to a post by gerarda:

Of course the ISPs and Codelook can only have accurate data if the Openreach database is correct. I wish I had £1 for every time I have redirected an Openreach engineer from the cabinet that serves the public telephone box back to the cabinet a quarter of a mile away. 8 months after installation and two months after going "live" it still does not a have a post code reference.

I wonder if someone from Openreach reads this forum. Codelook now shows the postcode for our (not so) new cabinet.

Well codelook still says I cannot get fibre, yet I have it and have done before codelook got its last update.

Paul