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I think it would be best for everyone if you don't obsessively chase things and just keep quiet until you have had the service activated, otherwise you are simply trolling people
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MrSaffron - ok deleted this thread
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Can anyone tell me which area do have G.Fast service available please?
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Know of just 38,000 premises that are live so far and our checkers do show it up
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Can anyone tell me which area do have G.Fast service available please?
Did you start this thread because you have a G.fast pod attached to your PCP now?
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Care to link to an example, Mr Saffron? I am not sure how to search for such premises.
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Know of just 38,000 premises that are live so far and our checkers do show it up
Care to share us where u get this information from?
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Did you start this thread because you have a G.fast pod attached to your PCP now?
No, the G.Fast pod not installing yet. But it due soon as I was told by Openreach.
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https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/exchanges/p...
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https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/postcode-searc...
Hmm, doing an exchange search says mine doesn't even have FTTC.
Doing a postcode search does (and calls the same exchange) - I do have FTTC 
Postcode search also calls > 100mbit which isn't on for my specific code.
Fair enough it does say virgin *may* be available and it is nearby.
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Not a big deal but my exchange is also showing some wrong info. Sky LLU is available. WSLON.
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EACOS
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Are you both referring to https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/exchanges/w... rather than the availability checker?
The availability checker is driven by the postcode, and think its using a legacy table rather than latest ones that match the data in https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local
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I checked both. Both were showing non llu and no adsl2+ but it appears you've sorted it. Thank you.
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Maybe I just missed something, but where does it quote if we are/will be G.Fast enabled?
I just get this
Fibre (eg FTTC/VDSL2/FTTH/Cable/G.Fast)
Exchange EMMONTF
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We cannot predict with accuracy where it will be live,
If you think its live and we don't say it is then say exchange and cabinet and will check and update where appropriate.
Our system only shows the 38,000 we are confident that service is available, and the links appeared as someone asked where does this show up
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For me
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/exchanges/e...
is the wrong one
The postcode check is correct (apart from >100 being listed when virgin didn't quite make it to me)
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And have pushed a change request into towards John that will fix you, and have also done a system wide database update to catch all the exchanges where the services table was not up to date.
LLU additions is more manual unfortunately
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On Virgin Media can you private message the postcode and will check it
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Thanks for the links Andrew.
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At the start of July, there were over 100,000 homes passed in the pilot areas.
I cannot provide you with the areas (I don't have them), but a further 116,000 premises were passed as part of Openreach's commercial build for 2017/2018 at the end of July. These were due to go live in early Aug for customer orders I believe.
By the end of March 2018, there should be over 1,000,000 premises with access to G.fast.
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Given that the second block of 116,000 premises are not live unlikely for me to include them, and on the others if people are not seeing g.fast pop-up on our systems happen to add cabinets given a info on where they are....
So why do I say 38,000 when Openreach say 100,000, main reason is not losing sleep chasing down g.fast yet, the sleep is lost on FTTP and VDSL2
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To be honest, it's largely meaningless anyway until people are able to actually order with ISPs.
There is a really really small number of people on G.fast as it's invitation only with the very limited number of ISPs who actually support it.
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By the end of March 2018, there should be over 1,000,000 premises with access to G.fast.
That's promising.
To pass 10m by the end of 2020, they then need to follow that up by passing a further 1m every quarter!
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If an average of 200 premises past per cab, that's 1600 a month!
300 PP is still 1100 cabs per month.
Baring in mind G.fast pods only support 48 connections at the moment, 96 in future.
As usually the "available to" doesn't actually mean all could order it 
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I'm not quite up to speed with BDUK, but I assume that target for G.fast becomes a lot more reachable as the BDUK projects wind down.
Deploying G.fast is relatively quick and easy. It's the best way for a quick, widespread deployment of ultrafast capable speeds. What will remain to be seen is the uptake and performance over a large area.
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Baring in mind G.fast pods only support 48 connections at the moment, 96 in future.
As usually the "available to" doesn't actually mean all could order it
That's pretty very poor by BT. Once 48 customers activated with g.fast that's it. U cannot order g.fast.
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The 48 pods have space for the extra cards, just needs chipsets that will vector across 96 ports, i.e. pushing processing power to the limits
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Its so small that I cannot talk about an average speed even if I cautioned about a small sample size, i.e. too small to even dare with a caveat
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If an average of 200 premises past per cab, that's 1600 a month!
300 PP is still 1100 cabs per month.
Worse than that ...
While the commercial FTTC rollout seemed to average out at 300 lines per cabinet, this time only the closest one-third of properties will be able to benefit.
At one hundred premises within range of each G.Fast pod, I make it 3.3k pods per month, 770 pods per week.
At the peak of FTTC, BT probably managed 250-300 cabinets per week.
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That's pretty very poor by BT. Once 48 customers activated with g.fast that's it. U cannot order g.fast.
How many people do you think want G.Fast?
Right now there are 8.1m NGA customers, spread across perhaps 83,000 FTTC cabinets. That averages out at less than 100 subscribers per cabinet.
And maybe only a third or half of them will be in range of G.Fast.
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It's not poor of BT. It's a limitation of current technology.
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A g.fast cab can be installed within a couple of days I reckon, not weeks and months like fibre cabs. There's no wayleaves, permissions, power company delays etc involved.
There should't be many G.fast pods that are delayed for matters outside of Openreach's control.
The fibre and copper are already super close by, in ducts which will very unlikely be blocked due to then only being a max of 7-8 years old.
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Closest one third....mmm
28,000 cabinets can deliver 10 million premises and that is allowing for distances
or if you want to optimise it so you only do the cabinets where almost everyone on a cabinet will get G.fast option this rises to 38,000
http://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/g-fast-map-model
The distribution of premises per cabinet is a LONG way from uniform.
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Max, what will you do if your cabinet gets G.fast and you already need to be a customer of BT/TalkTalk to get invited to their trial?
You might end up with no ports by the time Plusnet offer it.
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Have to go with BT if PN isn't offer me of g.fast on time.
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Are those cabinets that were completed under BT's commercial programme rather than public funding?
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Was told by Openreach my cabinet are due to go LIVE with g.fast next spring 2018 (Q2)
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And Plusnet trial is still staff only? Nothing on trials.plus.net?
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Mr Saffron's map doesn't include my area at all so I guess I will be on FTTC for the foreseeable. Just as well I have plenty of modems to play with to get the best speed.
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His map roll out for g.fast is just only guessing (not official one from openreach)
Edited by adslmax (Mon 14-Aug-17 20:53:48)
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Who did you contact at Openreach about G.Fast Max?
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It private as openreach told me not to pass the detail to anyone. Sorry.
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Brilliant.
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That's why I deleted the first post of this thread,
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So they told a member of the public some confidential information but asked them to keep it quiet?
This isn't from the same school of thought as when you claimed Ian Binks had given you G.fast information is it? He seemed to have no recollection of doing so.
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nothing to do with ian binks
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G.Fast installed with cabinet approx over 200 metres away
https://streamable.com/67hpz
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I am on one of the trials and it isn't just about installing the equipment, there needs to be an education programme for both ISP and OR staff and end-users.
G.fast is pushing current technologies to its limits.
Apart from reducing the distance service is available from a cabinet there are a lot of other variables.
Speed is much more weather dependent
Engineers equipment needs updating - a phone engineer repairing a line fault couldn't then test my line as his kit only measured up to 100Mbps
Some fault finding kit doesn't work if there is G.fast equipment on the circuit
End users need to be more savvy - a Cat5 cable which worked well for 80/20 won't give you the best speeds with G.fast
PC settings need to be tuned to get the best in a way which wasn't an issue with lower speeds.
I have had it two months and I am still learning. Various speedcheckers give me various speeds, some consistent across a variety of browsers, some higher on one browser and lower on another.
Until more training and understanding is gained by those responsible for providing the service is in place and better guidance for those having the service available its full potential will not be realised in my opinion.
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I've noticed a lot of activity in Telford recently, Openreach with big drums of fibre feeding it down the ducts but the cabs around here are all FTTC and have been for years.
Do they pull fresh fibre for G.FAST?
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Edited by wolvesmad (Tue 15-Aug-17 09:46:35)
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No, that's for FTTPoD & FTTC (more cabinets). Nothing to do with G.Fast.
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All the cabs have been done round here.
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If you want more speed why don't you give Virgin a go again?
300Mb is available in Telford now. 30 day cancellation if it's rubbish although my friend gets 200+ 24/7 in TF2.
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Could be leased lines, FTTP for new builds, FTTP for infil, or it could be some "dark" fibre installation.
From what I gather, the G.fast nodes get their power and fibre connections from the FTTC cab (cabs are usually fitted with 6 I believe).
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All the cabs have been done round here.
The same around here, Openreach laying more fibre optic cable. Don't know what is it for? As all the cabinets are all done here too.
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If you want more speed why don't you give Virgin a go again?
300Mb is available in Telford now. 30 day cancellation if it's rubbish although my friend gets 200+ 24/7 in TF2.
I got virgin media cable 200/12 here. But my area isn't on 350/20 yet.
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Not quite...
Cabinets 4, 16, 17, 20, 32 and 33 still to come.
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I thought the cancellation is now 14 days - that period might not be long enough to see how bad/congested your local cabinet is.
ISP's:
Zen: Around 6mb down - .8mb up
JohnLewis BB: TBA
Stechford (CMSTE) Cab 50 - Virgin rates variable so not bothering with them.....
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2cm thick black tube with yellow stripe? That's fibre sub duct not the fibre itself.
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yes the cancellation is 14 days cooling off period from the first day of your order submit, not the first day of activation date.
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That was it. Curious as to what they were using it for, all our cabs are lit and have been for years.
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Closest one third....mmm
The distribution of premises per cabinet is a LONG way from uniform.
I agree. My figures stem from the median distribution, but as you know actual distribution per cabinet, you can make much better guesses.
When I look at how your "guessed" cabinets turn out for 28k and 38k, I can see, for example, that streets where a lot of older houses have been converted to flats get included, but newer "executive" detached houses don't. It just boils down to population density.
And the guesses include my cabinet, so I'll be watching closely
38k pods installed over 3.5 years: 900 pods per month.
10m premises passed by 38k pods: 263 lines within range per pod. If that is "almost everyone" on these cabinets, then it means G.Fast might apply better to "medium" PCPs rather than the very largest.
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