Fibre

I have been following the G.fast discussion here which i had never heard of before and which leads to my question -

Will fibre broadband become the norm as Broadband did in the years before dial up was turned off by BT late in 2013?

I ask as i am happy with the speeds i get and have no reason to move to fibre that of course may change in the future.

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Yes, eventually exchange bsse xDSL will cease to exist

Are there a lot of places still unable to get fibre?

Think its somewhere around <10% of UK properties are unable to receive a fibre based service but i dont follow the stats closely.

IMHO voice and broadband over copper will cease to exist one day, majority (>90%) of households will be on pure fibre for broadband, voice & tv services. That one day though could be 20 years from now, or 50 years or 500 years from now.

I understand Openreach want all but the headends gone by 2025 ish.

Which would need the vast majority on some sort of street based fibre or full fibre connection.

I understand Openreach want all but the headends gone by 2025 ish.

Which would need the vast majority on some sort of street based fibre or full fibre connection.

I have already googled G.fast today whats a headbend?

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Edited by deleted (Mon 14-Aug-17 20:32:56)

Basically a "master exchange" if you will.

Where the fibre's are fed to rather than being fed to every single exchange.

Most fibre cabinets are not connected to the exchange that the telephone line that serves your home is.

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

Are there a lot of places still unable to get fibre?

Depends what you mean by fibre. The term fibre is used to refer to FTTC where the broadband backhaul from a cabinet is by fibre and FTTP where the connection to a private or business premises is a fibre cable which then requires separately powered equipment at the end for voice calls.

FTTP can be much faster, does not suffer from distance degradation problems or cross talk and is probably more reliable. It is expensive to install compared to making use of an existing metal phone line.

Thanks Lee.

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

I understand Openreach want all but the headends gone by 2025 ish.

Which would need the vast majority on some sort of street based fibre or full fibre connection.

I have already googled G.fast today whats a headbend?
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Not all FTTC cabs terminate at the nearest exchange (often too small), they will terminate at a headend exchange which is the nearest main (major) exchange. In my case nearest exchange is Inverness Culloden (NSICL) which is just the road from where I live, however fibre connections in my area (both FTTC & FTTP) all terminate at the main (headend) exchange in town, Inverness Macdhui (NSIMD).

edit: beaten to it by lee111s

Edited by deleted (Mon 14-Aug-17 20:43:09)

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

Are there a lot of places still unable to get fibre?

Depends what you mean by fibre. The term fibre is used to refer to FTTC where the broadband backhaul from a cabinet is by fibre and FTTP where the connection to a private or business premises is a fibre cable which then requires separately powered equipment at the end for voice calls.

FTTP can be much faster, does not suffer from distance degradation problems or cross talk and is probably more reliable. It is expensive to install compared to making use of an existing metal phone line.

I should have said - are there many places where customers still do not have the option to connect to fibre broadband but thanks for explaining.

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It's in the single figures of percentage now.

Work ongoing to have it at 95% available by 2020 I believe.

or 500 years from now.

By then I strongly believe it won't be a fibre solution. Humans either won't need the Internet (for various reasons) or it will be some form of quantum entanglement technology (or something we can't even imagine right now) - considering where comms technology was 500 years ago there is no telling what it might be in 500 years time.

However, I am a gambling man and so will happily bet that no matter what it is I won't be there to see it...

Thanks again Lee.

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or 500 years from now.

- considering where comms technology was 500 years ago there is no telling what it might be in 500 years time.

The way Trump is going we many not be here in 500 hours.

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http://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/

All depends on how you define fibre, 96.4% of UK premises now with VDSL2/FTTP/Cable options but this includes those who get no benefit from VDSL2. The physics drops the figure to 93.4% once you put in a minimum speed of 24 Mbps.

95% is end of 2017 target for over 24 Mbps option

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The way Trump is going we many not be here in 500 hours.

That's between USA and North Korea (nothing to do with UK)

If a nuclear war was to break out, there'd be nothing left of the world.

Nah, none of it won't happen. The council of UN won't allow this. North Korea Kim Jong-un talk loads of [censored] and he is too scare to start it. He won't do it.

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In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

The way Trump is going we many not be here in 500 hours.

That's between USA and North Korea (nothing to do with UK)

Well it was a joke, i agree with Lee (if it was to kick off) but as you say its all BS from both sides nothing will happen.

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Think its somewhere around <10% of UK properties are unable to receive a fibre based service but i dont follow the stats closely.

The trouble is that many of those are unable to get a satisfactory broadband signal at all

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

IMHO voice and broadband over copper will cease to exist one day, majority (>90%) of households will be on pure fibre for broadband, voice & tv services. That one day though could be 20 years from now, or 50 years or 500 years from now.

Ha! no chance - the will wring every last drop out the old copper/ali cables with changes in tech. (G.FAST for example) Some lucky people will end up on pure fibre only - but restrictive terms and long contracts I suspect which will put others off or be outside there budgets. I can not see a world where they would chop all the old analogue lines off and migrate people to pure fibre (unless there is a technical need) on the same terms/contracts/pricing.

What restrictive terms on full fibre?

Do not conflate the T&C around the FoD service with the native GEA-FTTP ones and contracts are in the 12 to 18 month region the same as VDSL2 for the native service

Sorry - Yes I was thinking of the FOD 3yrs.

But I can find plenty of people who think 12-18 months on a broadband contract is restrictive. Especially those who rent or are students for example.

Granted there are not going to be the same issues on pure FTTP that there are on FTTC with line settings, profiles etc which will make it less bad in that respect and less likely for people to not want to commit to such a period where they would of otherwise had uncertainty and little if any get out when there are problems.

Edited by IamQ (Tue 15-Aug-17 19:09:15)

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/openrea...

The likes of Zen/IDNet/AAISP are likely to start offering 1 month contacts in a couple months time.

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http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/openrea...

The likes of Zen/IDNet/AAISP are likely to start offering 1 month contacts in a couple months time.

That is happy days for lots of people & locations I know! good spot & thanks. At last there will be some flexibility and a way to get-out

In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:

Will fibre broadband become the norm as Broadband did in the years before dial up was turned off by BT late in 2013?

Yes. Longer term BT's plan is to start retiring exchanges, so they'll be delivering both voice and broadband from cabinets which in turn connect back to fewer, larger exchanges.

They'll have a set up similar to Virgin Media's where what would've been the exchange is in a cabinet.

ADSL broadband also must go. It's getting in the way of both higher performing FTTC and higher performing G.fast.

sky and talktalk will implode with exchange closures

https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/

The word many is true, as 886,000 premises is a lot but in the context of 28.5 million premises in the UK it is a small number under 10 Mbps.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

https://labs.thinkbroadband.com/local/

The word many is true, as 886,000 premises is a lot but in the context of 28.5 million premises in the UK it is a small number under 10 Mbps.

This is exactly why it is so easy for the hardest to supply (technically and financially) are the easiest to ignore

No problem as there will be cheap CityFibre metro networks so they can have one mega exchange for each UK region