Pair divert

Happy new year (decade!) to you all!

What brings me back after a ten year hiatus? Well... I am wondering if any of you knowledgeable lot would be able to shine any light on the Openreach procedure for a pair divert to a new cabinet!

The short story is that the cabinet we are connected to is not FTTC enabled (and absolutely no plans to do so, AFAIK) - this cabinet serves at least four properties (all adjacent to each other). However, four other adjacent properties are connected to a different cabinet which is FFTC enabled, and the properties acheive very good speeds.

I've come across a process called a "pair divert" - has anyone here had any experience in getting this done? I'm try to get a feel for the procedure/timescale/costs (FWIW, it's a non-residential connection)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Simon

That is strictly non standard request and not something that Openreach actively encourage unless it's part of larger network rearrangement. It may simply be these premises have been missed out from a previous rearrangement.
I suggest you try contacting the CEO and ask for someone to look into your request.

Edited by witchunt (Tue 07-Jan-20 19:50:36)

A pair divert, is to route an additional pair to a specified DP, where, for whatever reason, there are not enough pre connected spares to provide service.

It isn�t to divert a pair from a DP to a different PCP as you are hoping.

As Witchunt suggests, an email to the CEO�s office might be your best bet ...

who knows, it might be that FTTP is a cheaper solution for you and your neighbours.

Thanks for the replies

Is this an email to the CEO of Openreach or TalkTalk (ie the current provider)

If it's not possible to reroute to the enabled cabinet, would I be asking to enable the existing cabinet?

Simon

Openreach CEO .... TalkTalk only �rent� the pairs from Openreach.

Yeah, I guess

What speeds is ADSL giving you at present ? There are Universal Service Obligations on their way, which *may* add grist to your mill.

What speeds can you get on 4g ? If good, you could ditch the landline and go 100% mobile ?

Currently getting 11/1mb ish - d/l is absolutely fine, but the u/l is the issue. AFAIK 4G wouldn't be suitable due to CGNAT

A 9/9mb leased line was coming in at £150/month on a 3 year term, what's the starting point for FFTP?

Sorry, I�ve no idea on pricing.

OK thanks for your help

The other properties will be on a different DP. Planning rules prevent some pairs on a DP being FTTC connected and others not.

I know of a house that has two lines and they go to different cabinets.
One line can get FTTC and the other cannot.

This is interesting - do you know if the FTTC enabled line was installed after the non-FTTC line? Also are you sure they are on different cabinets and it's not some other reason for the lack of FTTC connectivity?

I know of DP�s where one block is from one cab, and the second from another. BUT, these are very much the exception rather than the rule.

Thanks for the reply. If I was to order a completely new line (whilst keeping the existing line) is there any possibility at all that the new line would be from the other cabinet?

The chances are 99.9% no.

In reply to a post by simonh__:

This is interesting - do you know if the FTTC enabled line was installed after the non-FTTC line? Also are you sure they are on different cabinets and it's not some other reason for the lack of FTTC connectivity?

The non FTTC line is the orginal line.
I'll give a brief explanation of what i think happened.

Cab 44 non FTTC
Cab 48 FTCC

House Number 4 Cab 44
House Number 5 Line 1 Cab 44, Line 2 Cab 48
House Number 6 Cab 48

If the houses are all adjacent, how well do you get on with your neighbours who can get FTTC? Could you get one of them to allow you to have an extra FTTC line installed, and run an ethernet (or point-to-point wireless link) cable to your house?

Do you know how No.5 managed this? Was it just a coincidence that the second line was connected this way or was there something going on at Openreach behind the scenes?

I believe it was luck.
When the second line was ordered FTTC was not available.
It was used for a secondary connection for a home office with ADSL.

Once FTTC was rolled out in the area, I used to check once a month to see when it was available and it only ever became available on one line.
That is when i noticed they were on different cabinets.

The thought has crossed my mind (our FTTP neighbours are the other side of a party wall - so about 10 inches away...)

Unfortunately we are all commercial premises so we are looking for something a bit more secure than a neighbourly agreement

That's a shame, thanks for your input though, much appreciated

WHy not get FTTP installed in their premises within a locked cabinet. Have that small cabinet on teh party wall, drill through and there you have it!

In an ideal world that would be perfect, but when I say (type?!) "security" I mean legal security - the layout of the premises would mean running a cable approx 30 metresfrom the master socket end to the party wall end of our neighbour's premises - for something like this I would only be happy if a deed of easement was drawn up (and I think our neighbour's landlord would too) - not to mention a lease for the cabinet space

What about a weatherproof steel cabinet outside the building - just on te other side of the boundary when teh survey is done, and then slide it across 1m before installation!

In reply to a post by simonh__:

The thought has crossed my mind (our FTTP neighbours are the other side of a party wall - so about 10 inches away...)

Unfortunately we are all commercial premises so we are looking for something a bit more secure than a neighbourly agreement

Is that FTTP a typo, or is there something else going on that you haven't mentioned?