Madness

Originally connected via BT with FTTC [Langport Cab 12] moved to Vodaf Superfast still on same number. Looking to move to another supplier however all other suppliers including BT say they can only offer a service with a quarter of the speed I have now (i.e. not fibre to Cab speeds).
BTW Speedtester has me downgraded too??? - so my only sensible option is to stay with Voda whom I hate after a support spat with a Mr Khan in India and vowed I'd move elsewhere.

Where is the logic in this. There has been a raft of new housing coming onstream on this exchange and I understand things getting tight BUT I have FTTC already associated with my line albeit a good 10Mbps slower than my attached neighbour - Duh!

Jamie

Cab 12 is being expanded which may be the reason you are getting this message. I don't know off hand if voda uses its own network or its using OR for the vdsl stuff.

I believe Voda just took over the existing line from BT

VF uses its own network at the exchange (formerly C&W). Naturally though between the home, cabinet and the exchange is all managed by Openreach.

Issue is the cabinet is full and waiting on additional capacity/wiring being added.

Providers know this, so should have communicated that to you.

Ahh i didn't know how llu worked with vdsl - so thanks for that update

In reply to a post by Taras:

Ahh i didn't know how llu worked with vdsl - so thanks for that update

Just to add to that, FTTC/VDSL2 is not "LLU" with any provider.

LLU is where the provider's exchange equipment is in total control of the broadband circuit, including the connection speeds, noise margins, and error correction methods. (In my opinion BT Wholesale is an LLU provider of ADSLx in that respect).

On (Openreach) FTTC and FTTP no ISP has that direct control. It is purely a handover from Openreach to BT Wholesale or the "LLU" provider, via GEA (Generic Ethernet Access) cables. The capacity of that handover link is dependent on how much the provider chooses to purchase from Openreach, so is the first direct ISP control.

There is an indirect control as the provider can choose which of three stability options Openreach applies to the line. These options balancing speed v stability.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Just to add to that, FTTC/VDSL2 is not "LLU" with any provider.

Except for those that do sub-loop unbundling, such as Glide (previously known as Warwicknet). They have their own VDSL cabinets next to the PCP. See this thread.

Seeing as you are taking us into semantics , your linked thread is about SLU. Not LLU. AIUI Glide are not participant in LLU in the accepted meaning of the acronym. Local Loop Unbundling is by definition access at the Openreach exchange, to (I believe all) the lines forming the Openreach local loop(s) from that exchange.

I suggest you read the whole of my post that you replied to.

Further more, re your statement:-

In reply to a post by candlerb:

FTTP (fibre to the premise) ....

There is no such thing . I suggest you look up "premise" in a dictionary.

As a minor point, Openreach provide VDSL2, not VDSL. I expect the same applies to Glide, but don't know. Whether they use the same band profile as Openreach is another question.

When I talked to another agent @ Sky Broadband she basically said what you said, so some know.

As to when the queue for fibre will be resolved, I suppose that's anyone's guess ??

Just noticed, the spell-checker didn't like "furthermore" 😕.

The reason for the title of this post is:- I already have a SF BB slot in Cab 12. Is that slot reserved to the existing provider namely Voda? Why can’t it be transferred in situ to Sky? Is the thrust of the post TBH

Migrations have traditionally needed there to be a spare port available in the cabinet

Not 100% certain but was chatter that this had changed at some point.

Nothing to do with a port being reserved for Vodafone, but more about ensuring all providers are treated 100% equally.

OK Thanks Andrew

Well out of the blue I get a landline call from BT sales saying that they can provide me with SF broadband. Wouldn’t have to do anything Openreach apparently say that BT could take over the line in-situ.

My response was that I am not mad enough to pay £10 pm more just because I hate Voda.

I have grave doubts that it was from BT.

It could also be due to the Ofcom rules that ISP's must now give an acurate measurement of peak time speeds.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/media/me...

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-interne...

"You should get the estimated speed you are likely to experience at busy times of the day, when average speeds are often lower. These times are 8-10pm for home services, and 12-2pm for business services."

The 30 day minimum speed rule allows customers to leave without charge. So I guess most only want to offer packages they know they can manage during peak times right now.

"The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) sets rules about how companies advertise broadband speeds. They must show the average speed that at least 50% of their customers receive at the network’s busiest time (8-10pm)."

My guess is they are getting new customers on lower packages to reduce congestion at peak times to manage those minimum speeds and they can't advertise an 80mb package if only 40% of customers in your area actually get 80mb.