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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 01-Oct-20 16:48:48
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Re: Full FTTP go live


[re: adslmax] [link to this post]
 
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I went to www.bt.com and click on full fibre available and got this result below:

The top one is FTTC bottom one is full fibre (FTTP):

https://ibb.co/7vrhmkp


Even in your screenshot only Fibre Essentials is FTTC.
The rest are FTTP.
That includes 55/10 on FTTP that you say doesn't exist.

That's how BT do it for most people with both FTTC/FTTP available.
Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Thu 01-Oct-20 19:27:10
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if that the top screen are FTTC Fibre Essentials (just one of it) it shouldn't be on it. Misleading for full fibre!

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 01-Oct-20 21:23:50
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Care to show me a screenshot where that phrase is turning up on a product page that is FTTC based.

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Standard User j0hn83
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 01-Oct-20 21:34:03
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Re: Full FTTP go live


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Care to show me a screenshot where that phrase is turning up on a product page that is FTTC based.


No probs.

https://ibb.co/GvQy9Xc

Edit: do you think that's right having that written above an FTTC product?

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 01-Oct-20 21:54:48)

Standard User adslmax
(knowledge is power) Thu 01-Oct-20 21:37:01
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^^ this one MrSaffron.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 01-Oct-20 22:01:09
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Re: Full FTTP go live


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
If you check your line stats in (probably) the Troubleshooting section of your Hub GUI, you should see 55,000Kbps. Maybe 1 or 2 lower.


If that's true, I'd be very interested to find out how the router can display this information.

The connection from the router to the ONT is ethernet, fixed at 1Gbps, and the GPON bit rate is fixed at 2.4G / 1.2G. The 55M profile is enforced either at the OLT or the BRAS, by throttling the rate of sending packets.

Does the PPPoE session add extra attributes giving the line profile details?
Thanks. It seems I was posting in ignorance.

I assumed that the product speed from Openreach would automatically result in a sync speed. Forgetting that sync is basically an analogue DSL concept. A lingering doubt that I had in what I posted is of course clear from the word "probably". Line stats as in what DSL users are used to obviously don't exist.

However there is still a difference between the Openreach-determined connection speed and the maximum attainable on any given line. BTW impose the IP Profile. Other providers do of course still need to restrict their output in one way or another to fractionally below the Openreach speed.

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Standard User Pheasant
(member) Fri 02-Oct-20 10:00:31
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Re: Full FTTP go live


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
If you check your line stats in (probably) the Troubleshooting section of your Hub GUI, you should see 55,000Kbps. Maybe 1 or 2 lower.


If that's true, I'd be very interested to find out how the router can display this information.

The connection from the router to the ONT is ethernet, fixed at 1Gbps, and the GPON bit rate is fixed at 2.4G / 1.2G. The 55M profile is enforced either at the OLT or the BRAS, by throttling the rate of sending packets.

Does the PPPoE session add extra attributes giving the line profile details?

I was wondering the same thing myself....but I see now it was an assumption / misunderstanding of how an OR based FTTP connection operates.

My router only displays the wire speed and straightforward connection stats of the Ethernet connection, nothing deeper really about the WAN profile. It’s been the same 1G port speed (obviously) since I moved from 330/30 to 900/110 other than the odd lightning strike which killed the router and ^%gj!* the Ethernet port on the ONT it only liked 100M then...till a replacement ONT came along.

Will be swapping routers this weekend. Hadn’t really occurred to me to look into whether RouterOS can display any further pppoe connection stats...not that bothered really.
Standard User candlerb
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 02-Oct-20 10:25:11
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Will be swapping routers this weekend. Hadn’t really occurred to me to look into whether RouterOS can display any further pppoe connection stats...not that bothered really.


/interface pppoe-client monitor 0

It shows the name and MAC address of the BRAS (access concentrator), but not other vendor-specific attributes.

There *are* DSL-forum attributes for Agent Remote-ID and DSL Line Characteristics - but I believe these are added to the PPPoE session presented to the BRAS, not to the user.
Standard User CarlTSpeak
(committed) Fri 02-Oct-20 10:40:53
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/interface pppoe-client monitor 0

It shows the name and MAC address of the BRAS (access concentrator), but not other vendor-specific attributes.

There *are* DSL-forum attributes for Agent Remote-ID and DSL Line Characteristics - but I believe these are added to the PPPoE session presented to the BRAS, not to the user.


Openreach add line rate to VDSL and G.fast PPPoE / DHCPv4/6 sessions on their way to the provider, they do not add any line rate information for FTTP.

For obvious reasons really: once it's provisioned it doesn't change so unnecessary.

ISPs can of course also add their own information based on the product the customer subscribes to and inform customers that way but they pretty much universally don't see any need to.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 02-Oct-20 10:41:34
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In that screen shot case no.

NOTE: Different text to what I posted.

Also if you scroll the page the FTTP options are there, the assumption here is that due to the slow estimates on Fibre Essentials that it will be delivered via VDSL2. In some cases this is the case, in some it is not.

NOTE 2: There are several versions of what BT is presenting to the public, i.e. they have some A/B testing going on so not everyone is going to see the same thing.

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