Pole question.

Are OR allowed to use poles that were constructed purely for a leased line, for FTTP rollout?

The one for the Medical equipment had a pole installed so they could get it across the road before it went underground. But now I notice there are 3 lines on it and they are now all mixed in - is this going to give me problems?

That top line is my leased line.

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Edited by VMDIAPunter (Thu 05-Dec-24 11:32:41)

If it’s an Openreach pole they’re entitled to put whatever service they want on it (or that matter lease it to any PIA licensees - other communications companies that pay to use their pole and duct infra to run their own cables).

Why would or should it bother you?

Same applies to any piece of line plant, pole, duct , joint box , node etc, etc

And further to the other correct answers, nope, that won’t cause you an issue.

If it's on your ground they might be liable to pay rent, other than that can't see a problem.

okay thanks for all your replies. I was only bothered because I thought if one of those lines gets damaged then my line could also. It also says in my contract it's a dedicated pole to provide service, so I was not sure.

I paid for it after all in the ECC's - It was in the breakdown and I would have to dig that e-mail out. But if there won't be any problems then I guess I don't need to care. Until there is of course.

I was only bothered because I thought if one of those lines gets damaged then my line could also.

That is true of every single line. Even when ‘your’ line had the pole to itself, it was still just as venerable.

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it was still just as venerable.

Oh mighty leased line pole, we bow down before thee!

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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

it was still just as venerable.

Oh mighty leased line pole, we bow down before thee!

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Yes but there was less chance of stuff happening to the line, but now it's got 2 others to rub against. It's behind a wall so it's got fairly good protection from a car.

Okay stop taking the [censored]. i wish I never asked now.

If it's a concern you could ask Openreach to cost out putting the service underground, but it's no more likely to get damaged than before. The pole was put up to deliver you a leased line, it was never for the exclusive use of your/a leased line.

And yet they charged me for it - I never asked ifor it and t was part of the ECC's - Every other line has managed since the 80's going another route. This pole has been up since 2021..

But fair enough

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I paid for it after all in the ECC's

No, you paid for Openreach to extend their physical infrastructure to allow a service to be provided. The costs listed are simply their listed charge for them to build that piece of infrastructure, not that you are paying for the pole (the pole itself is only a proportion of that cost, the rest is the cost of labour, permits, etc for them to install it).

In terms of damage, the most likely kinds of damage to occur would occur regardless of whether other cables are in place as well (ie, something hitting the pole or a branch landing on the cables) so whether they have added more cables has a negligible bearing on that.

Well I can only go off what my invoice said - which amongst 455M of Fibre included a pole and a chamber rebuild at the end of my driveway.

I am also aware that the very route I paid £3588 to create is being used for the FTTP rollout. EE have offered me 2 years free as a thank you, which I have accepted.

The pole is behind a wall and there are no trees. I was concerned that the other wires might somehow damage my leased line wire

Sorry I asked,

Edited by VMDIAPunter (Fri 06-Dec-24 13:16:40)

It effectively covered the construction cost. This isn't unusual as there isn't any guarantee of more business. You have to make the judgment if you wait or pay to get it first.

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Honestly it’s a bit of a silly question. Unless you’re just flexing. Whatever.

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I am also aware that the very route I paid £3588 to create is being used for the FTTP rollout. EE have offered me 2 years free as a thank you, which I have accepted.

EE have absolutely no way of knowing who paid for the route the fibre is taking, they have no visibility of this, no access to records and aren't involved in the FTTP build so it saved them nothing. There is absolutely no chance of them giving free service on this basis.

Given you apparently cancelled the leased line when FTTP arrived this is a weird thread and the obviously untrue comment about freebies from EE just makes it weirder. I fully believe you could show a bill with discounts though nothing to do with poles, more whatever the staff discount is right now.

Edited by XGS_Is_On (Fri 06-Dec-24 16:25:17)

I cancelled the line with Virgin Media yes as I don't need it anymore .It runs out in Jan as I'm in the 30 days.

The NEOS one is still going. BT offered me the discount but now of course it's all going through the EE brand. I have an e-mail saying it I signed with them it will be free for 24 months,

Sure I can upload the original invoice if it pleases. I can also upload any month for the last 39 showing £370 for 1 line and £318 for the other (post VAT) I have 2 leased lines right now and I have no problem with proving either.

You let me know.

I have 2 children and 3 adults who's Medical equipment uses the line to keep their doctors and consultants up to date. it also allows them to control their meds and machines remotely. No flexing at all thank you very much.

I never asked to have to pay so much but I also never asked for sick family either. Think what you like. I was literally worried that extra wires connected to mine either end might cause a break. This is why I chose leased lines - 6+ hours without internet could literally be life or death.

But it was answered, so as you say "whatever"

It was not more business I was worried about. I had to have something more than ADSL so I had no choice and I also had to bare the cost of a leased line.

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I cancelled the line with Virgin Media yes as I don't need it anymore .It runs out in Jan as I'm in the 30 days.

The NEOS one is still going. BT offered me the discount but now of course it's all going through the EE brand. I have an e-mail saying it I signed with them it will be free for 24 months,

Sure I can upload the original invoice if it pleases. I can also upload any month for the last 39 showing £370 for 1 line and £318 for the other (post VAT) I have 2 leased lines right now and I have no problem with proving either.

You let me know.

No need. I was looking at the BQM forum section earlier. Given you posted this BQM forum team can verify if it's in the right location by a traceroute to the IP and can verify it doesn't belong to a large enterprise, corporate, is an educational institution or local authority. Given it's yours that'll be fine, right?

Kinda weird in the same thread you complain about a lack of alternatives given you've had a Neos line for over three years but still.

Failing that the forum software will hold the source IPs of our posts. Some of those presumably will be either Neos or VMB addresses that do not resolve to large businesses.

There are plenty of folks with a number of leased lines under their management and indeed Openreach staff that can speak to the veracity of Openreach having either the ability or the desire to contact BT Enterprise to in turn contact EE to offer free residential service to a site where ECCs were paid to facilitate a DIA.

😎😂

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And yet they charged me for it - I never asked ifor it and t was part of the ECC's - Every other line has managed since the 80's going another route. This pole has been up since 2021..

But fair enough

Missed this.

So the implication is that they defrauded you by overcharging you for unnecessary infrastructure, used that unnecessary infrastructure for FTTP later on and were so grateful to your business for paying VM/Neos for that unnecessary infrastructure that they broke the law, their regulatory obligations and did some stalking to try and arrange free FTTP for you personally as a residential user.

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Okay stop taking the [censored]. i wish I never asked now.

Indeed.

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In reply to a post by VMDIAPunter:

I cancelled the line with Virgin Media yes as I don't need it anymore .It runs out in Jan as I'm in the 30 days.

The NEOS one is still going. BT offered me the discount but now of course it's all going through the EE brand. I have an e-mail saying it I signed with them it will be free for 24 months,

Sure I can upload the original invoice if it pleases. I can also upload any month for the last 39 showing £370 for 1 line and £318 for the other (post VAT) I have 2 leased lines right now and I have no problem with proving either.

You let me know.

No need. I was looking at the BQM forum section earlier. Given you posted this BQM forum team can verify if it's in the right location by a traceroute to the IP and can verify it doesn't belong to a large enterprise, corporate, is an educational institution or local authority. Given it's yours that'll be fine, right?

Yes I will be. I will actually be happy for them to do that - As i said I can't rip a leased line off the wall to come show you - but you know where I live so any time you fancy a cuppa and a tour of the cabinet I have you just let me know.

I tried to upload pics before - but they were removed.

The NEOS line is still on the wall. I am arranging for OR to come and remove it as I don't need it anymore - the VM kit is just sat on a worktop. I didn't want the large bulky cabinet in the end. When that goes in 6 months they can just remove it and pull the fibre out the building no problem.